It's time to admit I am getting OLD

[Pigmy Pony]

You are both right of course, and I apologise for my insensitivity. My view came from my own idleness during this time of confinement, imagining my retirement to be like this for me.

I stand by my opinion of jigsaw puzzles though

[Pigmy Pony]

Indeed, but there are LOTS of ways of staying busy, other than just working, or doing gardening and jigsaw puzzles!

What about spending more time with family and loved ones/grandkids? Is that a boring/un-fulfilling, or a non-option for all the perennial workaholics among us, fiercely shunning retirement?

Plus, when this pandemic is over, and things return to some semblance of normality, there's a WHOLE WORLD out there to travel to and explore for those of us with money in the bank, so anyone who retires and is healthy, wealthy and remotely adventurous, I'm sure will find PLENTY to do, rather than simply staying put in their immediate environment, doing the boring same old, same old, until they pop their clogs...

Marco.

I'm glad to see that you made some changes to paragraph 3, makes the message a bit more 'real world'.

Of course I will have more time for my kids/grandkids, but I won't be landing on their doorstep every day. The inbetween days will be taken up with whatever we can afford to do. (This is where you tell me again that you've been planning for your retirement since primary school )

I'm not going to waste any more time speculating on my future, as fate has this habit of shitting all over plans. No one thought that summer 2020 would look like this, did they?

[Marco]

Lol - I wasn't planning my retirement since primary school [rather since my early 20s], *but* where you and I fundamentally differ is the role that work plays in your life and, crucially, it's *ultimate purpose*.

That is where our outlook and goals are very different. In that respect, I'd have been just as depressed as you were [probably more so], at the thought of 'doing nothing' when you can no longer work, if I'd thought that I'd have nothing better to look forward to than working into my dotage, or up until a point where I became a physical wreck, and was fit for nothing much more than the scrapheap...

For me, that'd have been 'slit your wrists material', and I know my dad would've felt the same.

Marco.

[Marco]

I'm glad to see that you made some changes to paragraph 3, makes the message a bit more 'real world'.

Lol - I didn't, you did! But that depends on the 'world' you were brought up in and inhabit. In that respect, mine is as 'real' as yours

Surely the whole point of working your bollox off is to build a future for yourself and/or family, and when you retire, have a few quid in your pocket, with which to enjoy yourself, doing things you love that weren't possible when you were working? And if you've been in any way successful/lucky during your working life, that should be possible before you reach 70, or sooner.

Returning to what we discussing before, are you saying then, that if you had the money to do the things I've outlined, your outlook and approach to retirement would be completely different, or even if you were loaded and could afford to travel the world, you'd still carry on working until you drop dead, just because 'ya lurves it'?

That last bit is what I can't fathom about multi-millionaire (or worse billionaire) workaholics!

After I'd made my first couple of million, you wouldn't see me for DUST!!!

Marco [there HAS to be more to LIFE than just work].

[Pigmy Pony]

Lol - that depends on the 'world' you were brought up in and are used to living in! In that respect, mine is as 'real' as yours

So are you saying then, that if you had the money to do the things I've outlined, your outlook and approach to retirement would be completely different, or even if you were loaded and could afford to travel the world, you'd still carry on working until you're 90, just because ya lurves it?

That last bit is what I can't fathom about multi-millionaire workaholics!

Marco.

Your first post on this subject made no mention of the small matter of affordability. Which is an important consideration for most of us, hence the amendments If someone with the means to travel or fulfil their ambitions choose not to, well they need a talking to.

Of course if I had the money to travel the world I would, but I don't, so I won't. Instead I will find enjoyment and fulfilment in what I can afford. And to think I apologised a couple of posts back for my insensitivity!

This post has taken me some time as I've written/rewritten it several times. You may gather from this that you have pushed one or two buttons which were happy to stay unpushed.

Still love you dearly though!

[AJSki2fly]

Your first post on this subject made no mention of the small matter of affordability. Which is an important consideration for most of us, hence the amendments If someone with the means to travel or fulfil their ambitions choose not to, well they need a talking to.

Of course if I had the money to travel the world I would, but I don't, so I won't. Instead I will find enjoyment and fulfilment in what I can afford. And to think I apologised a couple of posts back for my insensitivity!

This post has taken me some time as I've written/rewritten it several times. You may gather from this that you have pushed one or two buttons which were happy to stay unpushed.

Still love you dearly though!

Talking about using buttons, you need to push you Inbox button if your have not recently.

[Marco]

Your first post on this subject made no mention of the small matter of affordability. Which is an important consideration for most of us, hence the amendments If someone with the means to travel or fulfil their ambitions choose not to, well they need a talking to.

Of course if I had the money to travel the world I would, but I don't, so I won't. Instead I will find enjoyment and fulfilment in what I can afford. And to think I apologised a couple of posts back for my insensitivity!

This post has taken me some time as I've written/rewritten it several times. You may gather from this that you have pushed one or two buttons which were happy to stay unpushed.

Still love you dearly though!

As I've said (if you read it), by the time you reach 65/70, if you've been at all lucky or successful in your working life, stayed reasonably healthy and planned for your future financially, through savings, pension funds/investments or whatever, you *should* be able to enjoy some sort of decent standard of living (or better) by the time you reach that age, without having to work.

Essentially, you should be able to afford to have some FUN in your old age! However, I realise that it's not always possible and there are no guarantees of such, for a whole host of reasons, *but* all going reasonably well, it should be a realistically achievable goal for most.

I'm not intending to 'push buttons', daftee; just have an open and frank discussion with you about an important subject, on which we clearly have very differing views, and that's is fine. However, I've always been the type to 'say it as I see it', as sensitively as possible, so with respect if you can't handle that then it's best we just stick to discussing Fart Gas!

Marco.

[Pigmy Pony]

Talking about using buttons, you need to push you Inbox button if your have not recently.

Cheers Adrian, pm read and replied to

[Pigmy Pony]

As I've said (if you read it), by the time you reach 65/70, if you've been at all lucky or successful in your working life, stayed reasonably healthy and planned for your future financially, through savings, pension funds/investments or whatever, you *should* be able to enjoy some sort of decent standard of living (or better) by the time you reach that age, without having to work.

Essentially, you should be able to afford to have some FUN in your old age! However, I realise that it's not always possible and there are no guarantees of such, for a whole host of reasons, *but* all going reasonably well, it should be a realistically achievable goal for most.

I'm not intending to 'push buttons', daftee; just have an open and frank discussion with you about an important subject, on which we clearly have very differing views, and that's is fine. However, I've always been the type to 'say it as I see it', as sensitively as possible, so with respect if you can't handle that then it's best we just stick to discussing Fart Gas!

Marco.

Hey, I'm not a one-trick-pony, I can discuss other things too! For instance we haven't discussed the correlation between diet and log consistency yet. And I am surprised that a man of your means hasn't investigated colonic irrigation, I know I'm saving up to have it done