Johns Hopkins Medical Centre - World Coronavirus infection Map by Country.

[Macca]

If we are to believe the PCR test, then that would be a valid point, unfortunetly going on the evidence of credible people, i highly doubt it!

Well there is nothing that can be done about tests giving false positives except to test the person multiple times.

[anthonyTD]

The only way to overcome that issue, is to develope a test specificaly for the purpose it was intended!

Well there is nothing that can be done about tests giving false positives except to test the person multiple times.

[Marco]

Meanwhile this, as I've just been watching the BBC Wales news CV conference, which has pretty much confirmed the details outlined in this article: https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...prove-23102143

When you read it, it's a case of blah de blah, de blah, pretty much skirting around the issue of what restrictions might be imposed upon those who don't have the vaccine, and therefore said 'ID Card', until this key bit of info at the end:

His comments came after UK Health Minister Nadhim Zahawi, who is in charge of the rollout of Covid-19 vaccines, suggested that a so-called "immunity passport" was being looked at to identify people who had the jab.

Mr Zahawi said that hospitality and entertainment venues might insist on seeing such a "passport" from customers.

The Health Minister said that the Government was "looking at the technology" so people could show that they had a Covid-19 vaccine. He said: "I think you'll probably find that restaurants and bars and cinemas and other venues, sports venues, will probably also use that system - as they have done with the (test and trace) app."

So there you have it! You can pretty much rest assured now that'll be the case, and therefore in future be refused entry to such places without an ID card.

Let's see how well that one goes down, and how it'll be managed or policed!!! I just see the fights breaking out, with staff in such venues attempting to refuse entry to non-vaccinated folk who want in, drunk or otherwise, on a busy Friday or Saturday night.... CHAOS will ensue!!

So remind me what you were saying, Martin, about, I quote: "This is why there will be no need to issue certificates of vaccination or limit travel etc."

How long do you think it'll take for ID cards to extend into 'immunity passports' for travel?? And if you think such controls will end when the virus has abated, then you're deeply mistaken, as what incentive would they have to stop them?

If enough people are vaccinated, enabling businesses to trade almost as normal, why would you entertain anyone without an ID card or 'Immunity Passport'...?

Marco.

[Marco]

Well there is nothing that can be done about tests giving false positives except to test the person multiple times.

And how realistic or practical is that? You'd be at it forever, trying to get properly accurate results!

Marco.

[anthonyTD]

The next step ??? https://savedmag.com/bill-gates-quan...ne-compliance/ Microsoft founder Bill Gates announced on March 18, 2020 during a “Reddit ‘Ask Me Anything’ session” that he is working on a new, invisible “quantum dot tattoo” implant that will track who has been tested for COVID-19 and who has been vaccinated against it.

According to BioHackInfo.Com: “The quantum-dot tattoos involve applying dissolvable sugar-based microneedles that contain a vaccine and fluorescent copper-based ‘quantum dots’ embedded inside biocompatible, micron-scale capsules. After the microneedles dissolve under the skin, they leave the encapsulated quantum dots whose patterns can be read to identify the vaccine that was administered.”

The Covid-19 vaccine is already under research and development and experts say it will likely be available in about 18 months. Will this mean forced vaccinations or perpetually “sheltering in place” for those who refuse the coronavirus vaccine? Gates is simultaneously working on the ID2020 Certification Mark, which according to pymnts.com utilizes “immunization to serve as a platform for digital identity”. The Gates Foundation has also formed an alliance with Accenture, IDEO.org, Gavi, and the Rockefeller Foundation to make ID2020 a reality.

Meanwhile this, as I've just been watching the BBC Wales news CV conference, which has pretty much confirmed the details outlined in this article: https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...prove-23102143

When you read it, it's a case of blah de blah, de blah, pretty much skirting around the issue of what restrictions might be imposed upon those who don't have the vaccine, and therefore said 'ID Card', until this key bit of info at the end:



So there you have it! You can pretty much rest assured now that'll be the case, and therefore in future be refused entry to such places without an ID card.

Let's see how well that one goes down, and how it'll be managed or policed!!! I just see the fights breaking out, with staff in such venues attempting to refuse entry to non-vaccinated folk who want in, drunk or otherwise, on a busy Friday or Saturday night.... CHAOS will ensue!!

So remind me what you were saying, Martin, about, I quote: "This is why there will be no need to issue certificates of vaccination or limit travel etc."

How long do you think it'll take for ID cards to extend into 'immunity passports' for travel?? And if you think such controls will end when the virus has abated, then you're deeply mistaken, as what incentive would they have to stop them?

If enough people are vaccinated, enabling businesses to trade almost as normal, why would you entertain anyone without an ID card or 'Immunity Passport'...?

Marco.

[Marco]

Well, Martin - any comments?? If not on what Anthony has just posted, on what I did earlier?

Marco.

[Marco]

This is interesting: https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...ategy-11970628

Good old Theresa May said of identity cards:

"It is intrusive and bullying, ineffective and expensive. It is an assault on individual liberty which does not promise a greater good."

Spot on, sweetheart!

Yes indeed it is... Well, that's one thing she was right about!! And if they're to be used in the way that's being suggested, and limit civil liberties like that, there's going to be MASS OPPOSITION to them - resulting in riots.

Nothing is surer!

Marco.

[system7]

Like most of you folks, I haven't been worrying about the germ too much.

But exciting developments. Us vulnerable oldies are getting the jab within days.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55045639

Bring it on.

[Filterlab]

And how realistic or practical is that? You'd be at it forever, trying to get properly accurate results!

Marco.

That reminds me of Elon Musk. He took four tests (on the same day IIRC); two came back positive, two came back negative.

Sigh.

[Pigmy Pony]

If enough people are vaccinated, enabling businesses to trade almost as normal, why would you entertain anyone without an ID card or 'Immunity Passport'...?

Marco.

I think it unlikely that the hospitality sector will be asking to check "immunity passports" of their clientele, unless compelled to by law. The millions of folk who won't be having the vaccine are too big a chunk of their business to turn away, especially when their businesses are still on their arse after the lockdown.

Like Martin I feel these passports will become unnecessary. Unless certain countries you may be visiting have their own take on this.