Johns Hopkins Medical Centre - World Coronavirus infection Map by Country.

[walpurgis]

Its obvious Trump is trying to remove people not aligned to what he want’s, even people he himself appointed weirdly.
Why is Trump is doing this though, what is the reason behind it?

Because he's an insecure narcissist who only wants 'yes-men' around to pat him on the back and tell him how great he is!

[Marco]

Undoubtedly so. He 'is who he is' [and I don't like it either], but that doesn't detract from the goal I believe he's seeking to fulfil, or rather others have appointed him to fulfil, as outlined.

Marco.

[struth]

https://news.sky.com/story/after-the...river-12000147

oddly what i said months ago

[Joe]

I guess all's fair in love and war...

Marco.

That's what Hitler said.

[Marco]

https://news.sky.com/story/after-the...river-12000147

oddly what i said months ago

Well, not really. The author is very critical of, in reality, how dangerous this virus *actually* is to the overwhelmingly VAST majority of the population.

You might share some of the sentiments expressed, many even, but unless I was reading another language, others and you here were vehemently in support of the lockdown, in 'staying safe' via social distancing, wearing masks etc, all of us effectively being put under house arrest, and in general supporting the reported severity of the virus...

So how does that square with the contents and main thrust of the article?

And btw, I totally agree with every word of it!!

The pertinent question that needs asking though, if you AGREE with what Shriver's saying, is...... WHY? And.... WHO or WHAT would benefit by the destruction of our economy and the creation of this 'new normal'...??

My views on that are very clear, but if you dismiss all the 'conspiracy theories', involving the global elite seeking to create a new World Order, and this 'new normal' is therefore simply a stepping stone towards them achieving that goal, then what else could logically be behind it?

I'd like to see some views on that.

Marco.

[struth]

Well, not really. The author is very critical of, in reality, how dangerous this virus *actually* is.

You might share some of the sentiments expressed, many even, but unless I was reading another language, others and you here were vehemently in support of the lockdown, in 'staying safe' via social distancing, wearing masks etc, us effectively all being put under house arrest, and in general supporting the reported severity of the virus...

So how does that square with the contents and main thrust of that article?

And btw, I totally agree with every word!!

The pertinent question that needs asking though, if you AGREE with what Shriver's saying, is...... WHY? WHO or WHAT would benefit by the destruction of our economy and the creation of this 'new normal'...??

My views on that are very clear, but if you dismiss all the 'conspiracy theories', involving the global elite seeking to create a new World Order, and this 'new normal' is simply a stepping stone towards that, then what else could be behind it?

Marco.

i wanted the lockdown as it became needed.. it probably wouldnt have been if they had protected all the main dangers. a much lighter touch would only have been needed then.
I wanted the old and at risk wrapped up... for the majority it would have been manageable

[Marco]

Fair enough, but that doesn't answer the questions I've asked or address the main [rather eruditely expressed] points of the article!

So I repeat: WHO or WHAT stands to gain most from the creation of this 'New Normal' - and WHY...??

Marco.

[Joe]

My views on that are very clear, but if you dismiss all the 'conspiracy theories', involving the global elite seeking to create a new World Order, and this 'new normal' is therefore simply a stepping stone towards that goal, then what else could logically be behind it?

Marco.

A new, dangerous virus that seemed to be both highly infectious and with a high fatality rate. In the absence of a vaccine, the only things that 'work' are stopping movement of people and limiting social contact, especially for the old and those with pre-existing medical conditions. Keeping the economy going 'normally' in such conditions is almost impossible, but the alternative is to let hundreds of thousands of people die, often in their homes or in the streets because all the hospital beds are full, and doctors and nurses are also unwell or dying. That was essentially happened with the 'Spanish flu' just after WW1. Then, as now, countries which acted quickly fared better than those, like the US, UK and Brazil today, which 'hoped for the best' and downplayed the severity of the problem.

It's even worse now than with the Spanish flu because people are so much more mobile. Countries like New Zealand, which have no 'local' infections, are having to cope with imported cases. That's difficult, and expensive to police, but it's essential to avoid infections spreading across the country again.

[Joe]

Fair enough, but that doesn't answer the questions I've asked or address the main [eruditely expressed] points of the article!

So I repeat: WHO or WHAT stands to gain most from the creation of this 'New Normal' - and WHY...??

Marco.

Nobody wins. We (ie humanity) have to work out an exit strategy that balances lives lost against financial and other indirect losses arising from lockdown, and hope that a vaccine is found before too long, or that the virus mutates to something less deadly.

[Marco]

Yes, I get all that... BUT - look at what we've created now as a result? Would you like this "new Normal', as Striver has outlined, and which we're undoubtedly all now experiencing, to become permanent?

Aside from anything else, would you like to see kids educated that way in future, in such a soulless, inhuman way. and effectively grow up to be afraid of human contact? Because that's what WILL happen if we allow it!

Not only that, as Striver says, many other key aspectd of our lives and freedom as individuals will be severely compromised, as a result of a virus with a painfully low death rate? Ah yes, and of course that's where Gates gets to vaccinate and so 'cure' everyone!!

Marco.