Johns Hopkins Medical Centre - World Coronavirus infection Map by Country.

[Marco]

Dunno I've always leaned to the left, but only joined the Labour party to try and vote him out, quietly impressed by Kier so far as he takes Billy Bluster apart every Wednesday. Impossible to think how it might have turned if Jezzer was in charge but it doesn't really matter cos he wasn't.

The UK's response to Covid is directly at the feet of the conservative party both in the response and the preconditions due to austerity. absolutely criminal and even now it's so obvious how "scientific" advice is being presented to cover up party dogma and failings to the electorate at large.

It comes to something when that neo fascist rag called the Daily Mail starts running articles that slag the government.

and if anybody on the forum is a die hard true blue. Tough tit. you really have condemned the country to what you voted for.

Yeah I agree with all of the above, particularly the highlighted bits. I have no strong allegiances towards any political party (save the SNP, and if I lived in Scotland that's who I'd vote for), as the 'party line'/agenda is almost always entirely self-serving, but I can recognise what I consider are good politicians from any party, and Mr Starmer is one of them

I just hope that democracy still exists in our country next time it comes to a general election......and therefore we get the chance to oust this dithering and incompetent shower of shite from Westminster, who will hopefully pay the price for effectively their crimes against humanity during this pandemic!

Marco.

[Pierre De Grenoble]

I just hope that democracy still exists in our country next time it comes to a general election......and we get the chance to oust this shower of shite from Westminster, who will hopefully pay the price for effectively their crimes against humanity during this pandemic!

Marco.

Amen to that and I'm an Atheist..

[Mikeandvan]

It fascinates me that people who consider themselves to be warriors against fascism are quite happy to use ridicule and censorship to stifle opposing viewpoints, despite these methods being in themselves essential components of fascism.

Well, I,d say censorship is the tool of anyone from social democratic nanny state s to totalitarian states, be they fascist or communist. I say we're adults, treat us as thus.

[guy]

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The UK's response to Covid is directly at the feet of the conservative party both in the response and the preconditions due to austerity. absolutely criminal and even now it's so obvious how "scientific" advice is being presented to cover up party dogma and failings to the electorate at large.
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and if anybody on the forum is a die hard true blue. Tough tit. you really have condemned the country to what you voted for.

Oh come on, let's not forget Nicola:

HEADLINE: Coronavirus: Earlier Scottish lockdown 'could have prevented 2,000 deaths'"

The Scottish government said its actions had been guided by the best and most up-to-date scientific advice."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-52617895

or will this be another case of not being able to trust the news source?

[Macca]

Well, I,d say censorship is the tool of anyone from social democratic nanny state s to totalitarian states, be they fascist or communist. I say we're adults, treat us as thus.

They don't want adults though. Ideologies of any type appeal only to the weak minded, the naïve, and those who are ruled by their 'emotions'. That is why they are always accompanied by plenty of hatred. It is a badge of honour amongst them as to who can hate the most. Ironically it is the continual expression of hatred that turns normal people away from the ideology and those espousing it. This is why ideologies rarely, if ever, gain enough traction to take control. Much to the upset and confusion of their adherents.

[dave2010]

Well, I,d say censorship is the tool of anyone from social democratic nanny state s to totalitarian states, be they fascist or communist. I say we're adults, treat us as thus.

A big problem is that getting good high quality information is very difficult. In the USA we hear that some doctors are being abused because they're involved with Covid-19, and some crazy people are denying that the disease exists at all, or in some areas disputing the evidence that it exists within their areas. As for the attacks on phone masts - obviously the little green men are coming ..... and should perhaps be followed by the men in white coats.

Even if we do get very good data and information, many people don't understand, or misinterpret what they hear or read.

People don't always understand obvious things, and Covid-19 presents many aspects which are not at all obvious. Only yesterday I heard someone on the radio saying that the incidence of CV-19 as very low (I think it was mentioned as 0.28%) so we could/should all go out and play and disregard it. The incidence of CV-19 in some areas is low, but let's not forget that initially it was presumably zero, so just one person (or possibly several coming in to the UK at the same time) would have initiated a big problem. The virus has not, as far as I know, changed much in its nature - it can still be deadly for some people.

We are always receiving "information" which has been heavily filtered, and in some cases massaged to present a particular point of view.

[hifi_dave]

It might well be 0.28% but if you or a loved one is in that 0.28% it ain't funny.

Meantime, I read in the paper yesterday, that an average of 170 planes arrive at heathrow every day and not one of those people are tested or even questioned. That's just Heathrow, so I suppose that other airports are also allowing flights. Even if we had no cases at all in the UK, surely this is a good way of getting the Pandemic going again ?

[walpurgis]

Michael Gove talking about the lockdown said "There is always a risk in relaxing these restrictions".

How would he know there's 'always a risk'? The rules have never been relaxed before!

He won't have any idea what the risk is, nor will anyone else.

[Marco]

Ideologies of any type appeal only to the weak minded, the naïve, and those who are ruled by their 'emotions'.

Are you afraid of showing yours?

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with your statement, but why put the word "emotions" inside inverted commas, as if to indicate in some way that they're false, or a sign of weakness? After all, it's what defines us from robots...

Emotions/gut instincts are fundamental to human beings functioning in line with how they were created. Therefore, to shun or dismiss them, is to fail to be human. Of course, one shouldn't be 'ruled' by one's emotions, but then neither should one be 'ruled' by logic, as often our emotional/gut instinct reactions to something/certain situations are more accurate than those governed solely by logic.

Marco.

[Pigmy Pony]

Michael Gove talking about the lockdown said "There is always a risk in relaxing these restrictions".

How would he know there's 'always a risk'? The rules have never been relaxed before!

He won't have any idea what the risk is, nor will anyone else.

Gove's statement clearly hasn't been thought through properly and should have been proof-read, but we do get what he's saying. Relaxing of restrictions will put more people in contact with each other, and even with precautions will still put us at increased risk. Just how much so we'll have to wait and see.

Everything we do is based on risk/reward, whether we are aware of it or not - for example going out for a nice meal involves the risk of death/injury on the roads, foreign holidays may come with the risk of an air crash. At some point we have to decide whether the risk of infection justifies putting our normal lives on hold. And at the moment that risk is too great imo.