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Thread: Johns Hopkins Medical Centre - World Coronavirus infection Map by Country.

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    Lol, yes but what's new with you two!

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    interesting that the govt as of mid march felt Covid wasnt an High consequence infectious disease...

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-con...-diseases-hcid
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    Quote Originally Posted by struth View Post
    interesting that the govt as of mid march felt Covid wasnt an High consequence infectious disease...

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-con...-diseases-hcid
    You'd need to ask the families of the 38k+ dead for an opinion on that.
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    By the Government no longer classing Covid-19 as an HCID does not mean it isn’t dangerous or serious – it’s just that it no longer meets the closely-defined criteria for an HCID.

    The 4 nations public health HCID group made an interim recommendation in January 2020 to classify COVID-19 as an HCID. This was based on consideration of the UK HCID criteria about the virus and the disease with information available during the early stages of the outbreak. Now that more is known about COVID-19, the public health bodies in the UK have reviewed the most up to date information about COVID-19 against the UK HCID criteria. They have determined that several features have now changed; in particular, more information is available about mortality rates (low overall), and there is now greater clinical awareness and a specific and sensitive laboratory test, the availability of which continues to increase.
    The Advisory Committee on Dangerous Pathogens (ACDP) is also of the opinion that COVID-19 should no longer be classified as an HCID.


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    only disease that shut down the world due to it being so contafgious and dangerous
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    You can't make this up.

    Son in Law is plod. 5 days ago he has to attend a woman who has died of a suspected heart attack whilst sat on the crapper. ( A sympton of an impending heart attack is indeed to have a dump)

    As a first responder he is obliged to attempt mouth to mouth resus etc. etc.

    He is then told that he cant have a covid test but must wait for a test result on the dead woman. He is then told that he cant have her result because as she has no next of kin to give permission the health authority can't give it.

    5 days after this episode his superior manages to get a std covid test for him by really rattling the the walls of those that say yes. we are now waiting to get the result ( and we are expecting it to be negative to be fair)

    Is he allowed to go into isolation that'll be no.... (surprise surprise) and he was forced to be back on shift the next day. you really can't make this up.. oh and no antibody test as routine either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pierre De Grenoble View Post
    You can't make this up.

    Son in Law is plod. 5 days ago he has to attend a woman who has died of a suspected heart attack whilst sat on the crapper. ( A sympton of an impending heart attack is indeed to have a dump)

    As a first responder he is obliged to attempt mouth to mouth resus etc. etc.

    He is then told that he cant have a covid test but must wait for a test result on the dead woman. He is then told that he cant have her result because as she has no next of kin to give permission the health authority can't give it.

    5 days after this episode his superior manages to get a std covid test for him by really rattling the the walls of those that say yes. we are now waiting to get the result ( and we are expecting it to be negative to be fair)

    Is he allowed to go into isolation that'll be no.... (surprise surprise) and he was forced to be back on shift the next day. you really can't make this up.. oh and no antibody test as routine either.
    yes its a disgrace, and no, it doesnt surprise me. the guff they come away with at their co vid time talk is just sound bites... most of it is pie in sky; they are loosening the lockdown and have no real track n trace available
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    I think that this is a fairly balanced overall view of proceedings, and how we can effectively get through this pandemic: https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2020/06/0.../?ncid=webmail

    As long as the number of cases and deaths from COVID-19 continue to fall, and there isn't a *genuine* second wave (backed up by real-life evidence, not government propaganda), I vote for a combination of 'suppression and containment', in the short to medium term, and eventually (as determined by nature), the virus largely being defeated by herd immunity, or it simply naturally 'petering out'.

    In that scenario, for me there would be no morally (or otherwise) justified requirement for any vaccine, rushed through the system for dubious reasons, and which in my view would be unsafe and not properly tested. If a *truly* safe and effective one materialises in due course, which ticks ALL the RIGHT boxes, however, then great, but otherwise no - and certainly not one that's been 'blessed by Bill Gates'!

    So let's see how things pan out in the coming weeks...

    If the cases/admissions to hospital, and crucially deaths from Coronavirus, continue to fall, it'll be interesting to see whether the main focus of the government remains on continuing to restart the economy/easing lockdown and getting life (and business) back to as normal as possible, whilst maintaining sensible precautions containing and stopping the spread of the virus [the RIGHT thing to happen], or suddenly becomes fixated on a mass vaccination of the population, by any which means necessary, in order to end the lockdown [the WRONG thing to happen], should such a vaccine 'miraculously' emerge in the coming weeks, and be ready for rolling out in the required doses...

    For me, that would ably reveal whether the establishment agenda/goal, I forecasted earlier, has any real substance or not....!

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    I'm sure I read today that North Wales is now a "hot spot" spike. Wales in a % per 100, 000 is second in the entire UK for infections I don't give one for conspiracy theories, I'll just hold my arm out and say Spike me Bro... Spike me..
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    That does indeed seem a sensible, balanced summary. It's clear that there's no real consensus about the risk of a second wave, but 'safety first' would seem the best way to proceed. As far as a vaccine is concerned, even the most optimistic scenario suggests that testing would not be completed until late September, after which it would take several months to ramp up production. The jabs would be given firstly to those most at risk (healthcare workers, the elderly, and those with underlying health conditions). Mass vaccination may never be needed if it emerges that the vast majority of young, healthy people suffer only minor symptoms or are asymptomatic. For them, herd immunity might be appropriate.

    There's a danger that the virus will mutate into an even more deadly strain that has serious effects even for younger healthy people, so the more testing and tracing the better.

    This link (shamelessly lifted from pfm) shows how an individual's risk from COVID increases according to such factors as age, ethnicity, BMI and underlying medical conditions:

    https://alama.org.uk/covid-19-medical-risk-assessment/

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