Johns Hopkins Medical Centre - World Coronavirus infection Map by Country.

[Pigmy Pony]

Thanks for that Adrian. I'll have a read later. However, as far as the title of the article goes:

"How can Britain trust this floundering crew of fibbers to tackle coronavirus?", I completely agree! Indeed, it's exactly what I've been saying, and I bet if you polled the nation now on the matter, the majority would agree!!

Too many dyed-in-the-wool Tories here, with blue-tinted specs on, clouding them from reality.

Right, back out to the sunshine!

Marco.

Well I have never been accused of being a Tory, and indeed I have NEVER voted Tory in my life, so this must be aimed at others

As a 'free thinker' I don't readily latch onto whatever 'truth' fits with my beliefs. Rather I'm inclined to believe that the truth is somewhere between what the govt is telling us, and what The Guardian has to say about it. Neither do my blue-tinted specs (don't wear specs) cloud me from reality, which is that EVERYBODY LIES. Maybe one day the liars will be called to account, but I doubt it.

Time for me to get out in the sun now, it's currently 34C here, and the pool beckons It has a swim-up bar

[AJSki2fly]

Thanks for that Adrian. I'll have a read later. However, as far as the title of the article goes:

"How can Britain trust this floundering crew of fibbers to tackle coronavirus?", I completely agree! Indeed, it's exactly what I've been saying, and I bet if you polled the nation now on the matter, the majority would agree!!

Too many dyed-in-the-wool Tories here, with blue-tinted specs on, clouding them from reality.

Right, back out to the sunshine!

Marco.

As I have intimated before and given examples, there are quite a few untruths being bandied around by those in power. Also certain facts about the coronavirus and it’s origin, and stability appear and then suddenly disappear, I wonder why that might be. I have even noted that the “free” press have on occasions got close to what I suspect is the truth and then suddenly do not follow it up?


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[Marco]

Well I have never been accused of being a Tory, and indeed I have NEVER voted Tory in my life, so this must be aimed at others

As a 'free thinker' I don't readily latch onto whatever 'truth' fits with my beliefs. Rather I'm inclined to believe that the truth is somewhere between what the govt is telling us, and what The Guardian has to say about it. Neither do my blue-tinted specs (don't wear specs) cloud me from reality, which is that EVERYBODY LIES. Maybe one day the liars will be called to account, but I doubt it.

Time for me to get out in the sun now, it's currently 34C here, and the pool beckons It has a swim-up bar

Lol - what made you think that the "blue-tinted specs" comments were aimed at you? Not at all, as I know you're not a Tory. Those who are, however, or have leanings in that direction (i.e. voted for them at the last general election), are making little attempt at hiding the fact - or their deeply-ingrained bias

Yes, everyone lies, to protect their own ass, but some more so than others!

Marco.

[Marco]

As I have intimated before and given examples, there are quite a few untruths being bandied around by those in power. Also certain facts about the coronavirus and it’s origin, and stability appear and then suddenly disappear, I wonder why that might be. I have even noted that the “free” press have on occasions got close to what I suspect is the truth and then suddenly do not follow it up?

As I've always said, Adrian, corruption in Westmonster is rife - and now more than ever! In the end though, as ever, the truth will out and heads will roll.... Roll on the people's revolution!!

Marco.

[guy]

Having the highest death rate in Europe is “Not done too badly”. Seriously??

Where do you get your figures?

I don't look on this pandemic as a league table opportunity, to each individual/family affected by a Covid death, that would be insensitive, but your assertive post caused me to look up the current figures:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...pe-by-country/

Far too dangerous to look at statistics as a simple tally - as I have posted previously there are far too many factors to consider to make assumptions on efficiency of any government or to make petty party political points (and no, I do not consider myself a "Tory" or for that matter a Scottish nationalist ).
However the current figures do not show that we have the highest death rate in Europe.

On a different tack, the figures show that Slovakia has the lowest death rate, would I want to live there after all in some measures it is considered one of the poorer countries in Europe.

[anthonyTD]

This post is rubbish without pics!

Time for me to get out in the sun now, it's currently 34C here, and the pool beckons It has a swim-up bar

[Marco]

...and in his new 'baby-gro' swimsuit

Marco.

[Marco]

Where do you get your figures?

Seems pretty clear here (WORLDWIDE, only the US has had more deaths): https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/a...23467b48e9ecf6

Oh, and I'm a "Scottish Nationalist" only in so far as I'd do anything to end the unjust English/Westminster rule in the UK, which Scotland, Wales and the Republic of Ireland has had to endure and suffer from [be treated as second-class citizens) for centuries!

Anyway, this isn't the time or place for that particular discussion

Marco.

[guy]

Seems pretty clear here (WORLDWIDE, only the US has had more deaths): https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/a...23467b48e9ecf6
Marco.

Cheers Marco, but that link took me to "confirmed cases" worldwide - not death rate (number of people who die/total population x 100).

The claim that I was querying was

(Quote Originally Posted by Ali Tait )
"Having the highest death rate in Europe is “Not done too badly”. Seriously??"

If we were to use confirmed cases as a means of comparison, then Monaco or similarly low population countries would look very good (even if they all died - God forbid).

[Macca]

Having the highest death rate in Europe is “Not done too badly”. Seriously??

It's not a cup competition to find out who's the best. There are various factors involved here, the idea that it can all be blamed on 'the government' is facile and simply represents a poorly-informed and somewhat distasteful attempt to make party political capital out of a tragedy that, if it was anyone's fault, it wasn't anyone in this country.

You could take into account that we have the highest population density in Europe, and that our lockdown was not as severe as some of the other countries, notably Italy. Added to which you have a different social culture that includes a different attitude to obeying the rules. If you look at world press you will also see people in other European countries blaming their governments and the EU, with similar, ideologically-inspired motivations. But some people just cannot help themselves I suppose.

I am not suggesting that the handling has been perfect and mistakes have been made. But then anyone with any real-world experience knows that mistakes get made all the time, in any field of operations. The fact is the primary objective was achieved, which was no mean feat. I cannot see any aspect of this crisis that would have been handled any differently had a different political party been in power. It's completely irrelevant to the situation.