Johns Hopkins Medical Centre - World Coronavirus infection Map by Country.

[Gazjam]

I think he knows better than anyone his own Daughter and what She’s saying my friend.

He has a perspective (vicariously through his Daughters real life experience) than many of us “Couch commanders” don’t.
You make a few good points about people in real world situations,

but you speak with some authority about what goes on in hospitals, do you work in the field?
Your taking a contrary point of view from what Peter is saying, and that’s based on his Dr daughters direct experience.

What do you base that on?

(not looking to pick a fight, just understand what seems a skewed point of view to me)

You're hearing what she's saying but not computing all of it.

First, everyone goes to the hospital in fear for the life for covid because they're scared to death of it.... because they watch MSM. And a lot of those people are what would be yearly admission for flu etc but aren't being classified as such. Either way you've got increases from panic. Then they're low staffed because they aren't operating normally. It's not the covid cases themselves that are the craziness. But as always anyone who works in a hospital is very dramatic 100% of the time.... believe me, I work with all of them all day. It's not fun, but it's not world ending.

As far as "slows it down" , well does it? We have seen little evidence of that. In fact so far basically none. It appears like the virus hits somewhere initially where they know it's around and then you get the late responders (immune systems) coming in because they're in need of medical assistance. Then you lock down after the fact... When maybe already the majority have already had it.

[Pigmy Pony]

https://youtu.be/ohDB5gbtaEQ

Which one's Marco?

[Mikeandvan]

Wow, very surprised to find this here. I just popped into one of my favourite Hi-Fi forums only to find a 500+ thread on COVID conspiracy theories, anti-lockdown and anti-vaccination rhetoric.

My daughter is a Dr in a large Hospital. Believe me, it is not good out there. They are at capacity for COVID and if there are many more cases then they will have to start taking over other wards which means kicking people out and cancelling more operations and having more triage for non-COVID and COVID cases. Lockdown and restrictions on socialising simply slows this down so hers and other hospitals can cope. It therefore allows the non-COVID cases to also be treated. It's simple really, no governments are trying to control us, no one is deliberately screwing the economy for personal gain, it’s just a means of allowing hospitals to function for all cases, COVID and non-COVID.

They have a Nightingale Hospital in her town but they have no staff to run it. As things are, the main hospital is under-staffed because of COVID. It seems building these was a political decision with no thought on the practical question of who would work in them. Daft maybe, but they were desperate back in march, desperate to look as if they were actually doing something.

But given that, everything going on with restrictions does actually make sense, however inconvenient and illogical it may seem from the outside. If these measures were not taken obviously they'd be more COVID deaths but also a lot of ill non-COVID people would be dying and more operations cancelled as hospitals would be overwhelmed by COVID.

There is nothing sinister going on. And 5G does not spread COVID.


I am not an anti-vaxer, rather I am pro-vaccinations, but I am a little nervous of new vaccines as I have, in my past, had a bad reaction to a couple of vaccines including the basic flu virus. I understand that they may introduce a system which will mean you are not able to travel abroad without proof of a vaccine. That will be an interesting dilemma to face.

Respect to what you are saying, especially the inside information your daughter gives you, but you are totally ignoring the economic devastation lock down is inflicting on the world, now and the legacy it will leave.

[anthonyTD]

Glad to hear this Steve,
I would sooner listen, and take notice of folk like him, than the plumbs selected to advise the current crock of shit we have in government!
And yes, i fancied his bike too, although as you say, back wheel removed, and what looks like one of its cylinders lying on the floor at the side.

I was watching Mike Yeadon tonight, and thankyou, Tony. Evidently a brainy bloke. You don't get First Class Honours without being big on smarts.

Just my mind, but I fancied his motorbike too, A Suzuki triple 2 stroke if I have not lost my skill. But minus a back wheel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bX-wFVBP94

But really he is telling us not to lose too much sleep over Covid-19. Just another Winter germ. I am less on panic than a few months back.

[Marco]

Scott Atlas has resigned.

Who's Scott Atlas?

Marco.

[anthonyTD]

I don't think anyone is doubting how hard it is in hospitals at this time of year, but its the same every year, people get ill more in the cold weather, Flu has been killing people for more than a thousand years that we know of, and has been documented, as for your remark about 5G spreading Covid, was that meant as a joke ? certain types of Radio frequencies, and EMF have been known at least as far back as the 1970's to have a detrimental affect on the immune system, plenty of reading out there, if anyone care's to research it properly, here's a head start https://atmosure.com/blogs/stories/5g-and-coronavirus, unfortunetly there are two main types of people, those who will, and need to follow without question, and those who are willing to question and only follow if the information available stacks up, more often than not, a middle ground can be found.

Wow, very surprised to find this here. I just popped into one of my favourite Hi-Fi forums only to find a 500+ thread on COVID conspiracy theories, anti-lockdown and anti-vaccination rhetoric.

My daughter is a Dr in a large Hospital. Believe me, it is not good out there. They are at capacity for COVID and if there are many more cases then they will have to start taking over other wards which means kicking people out and cancelling more operations and having more triage for non-COVID and COVID cases. Lockdown and restrictions on socialising simply slows this down so hers and other hospitals can cope. It therefore allows the non-COVID cases to also be treated. It's simple really, no governments are trying to control us, no one is deliberately screwing the economy for personal gain, it’s just a means of allowing hospitals to function for all cases, COVID and non-COVID.

They have a Nightingale Hospital in her town but they have no staff to run it. As things are, the main hospital is under-staffed because of COVID. It seems building these was a political decision with no thought on the practical question of who would work in them. Daft maybe, but they were desperate back in march, desperate to look as if they were actually doing something.

But given that, everything going on with restrictions does actually make sense, however inconvenient and illogical it may seem from the outside. If these measures were not taken obviously they'd be more COVID deaths but also a lot of ill non-COVID people would be dying and more operations cancelled as hospitals would be overwhelmed by COVID.

There is nothing sinister going on. And 5G does not spread COVID.


I am not an anti-vaxer, rather I am pro-vaccinations, but I am a little nervous of new vaccines as I have, in my past, had a bad reaction to a couple of vaccines including the basic flu virus. I understand that they may introduce a system which will mean you are not able to travel abroad without proof of a vaccine. That will be an interesting dilemma to face.

[Filterlab]

Who's Scott Atlas?

Marco.

His dad held up the sky.

[Gazjam]

Trumps quack Coronavirus Guru and in-house spreader of disinformation.
Guess the demands by the Trumpster got too much even for him.

This guy.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/17/p...rus/index.html

[struth]

his contract was up apparently this week anyway.

[Marco]

https://youtu.be/ohDB5gbtaEQ

Which one's Marco?

Very good! But TBH, it's not really funny.

Why should robustly expressed contrary views to the accepted norm be seen as 'argumentative'? Must those of us who disagree with others or you, or even the majority of the population, simply shut up and think the same, simply for a 'quiet life'?

Because that's the feeling I'm getting here from some people, and it stinks!

Worse, there seems to be an increasing undercurrent of resentment towards anyone who dares criticise or question the safety of the forthcoming vaccines, and a desire to silence them, simply because they dislike a) their choice being criticised and feel uneasy about it, b) anyone who's fortunate enough not to feel the NEED for a vaccine, if instead they consider that their immune system itself is able to cope - essentially an attitude of 'well if I'm having it, pal, you're having it, too!'

And I simply *will NOT* have that here. Those wishing to take the vaccine have others and my blessing, and our sincere wishes that it will work out well. However, at the same time we have to be allowed to express our concerns if we feel they're warranted, without being subjected to accusations of argumentativeness or ruffling feathers for the sake of it, because I can assure you that's not the case.

Therefore, going forward, how I'm insisting on this thread being conducted, is a) if you have nothing constructive to say, then say nothing [and such posts will be removed without further notice], and instead contribute to other discussions on the forum. Most importantly, b):

If you can't handle opposing views being expressed in a way that casts doubt on what you alternatively believe, or worse can't help but feel jealousy or resentfulness towards someone who's healthier than you, and so doesn't feel pressurised into having a vaccine, then also stay away from this discussion, as that's wrong on so many levels.

Learn to accept that some people will always think differently, not just on this matter, but many other important and controversial subjects, and allow them to do that without making them feel that they have to comply with your values or thought processes, simply to 'keep the peace' or engage in a group hug.

That's fundamentally not how we do things on AoS, and never will. Polite or reasonable free-thinking, controversial or otherwise, expressed frankly and honestly, will always be welcomed not gagged!

And btw, although I've quoted you here, Steve, the above is not solely aimed at you. It's for the benefit of the whole of the membership

Marco.