Johns Hopkins Medical Centre - World Coronavirus infection Map by Country.

[guy]

I thought it was a steam cleaner

bit of claggy on the waggy

[Barry]

Another Ian Dury fan!

[guy]

yes indeed

in my teens, I had just bought "new boots and panties" when my mum came in to my room to ask what was that lovely music I was listening to - as luck would have it just as she came in "Plaistow Patricia" started

[Marco]

And now for those who enjoy a good 'conspiracy theory', or as I prefer to call it, some thinking outside of the box:

https://fos-sa.org/2021/05/24/dr-rog...in-the-gutter/

Key quote from Dr Roger Hodkinson:

“You cannot test for fertility in a trial that lasts six months. Last time I checked, pregnancy lasts nine months. And in order to test for sequential pregnancies and the need for longer-term fertility studies, it cannot be done outside of a two-to-four years window, which is the normal time frame for a new vaccine trial.”

Quite, not to mention other possible side-effects, which may not reveal themselves in that timeframe, or indeed within the first year or so of being vaccinated for Covid...

Worth reading this article, IMHO.

The guy is no crank: https://westernmedical.ca/employees/roger-g-hodkinson/

Marco.

[Pigmy Pony]

And now for those who enjoy a good 'conspiracy theory', or as I prefer to call it, some thinking outside of the box:

https://fos-sa.org/2021/05/24/dr-rog...in-the-gutter/

Key quote from Dr Roger Hodkinson:

“You cannot test for fertility in a trial that lasts six months. Last time I checked, pregnancy lasts nine months. And in order to test for sequential pregnancies and the need for longer-term fertility studies, it cannot be done outside of a two-to-four years window, which is the normal time frame for a new vaccine trial.”

Quite, not to mention other possible side-effects, which may not reveal themselves in that timeframe, or indeed within the first year or so of being vaccinated for Covid...

Worth reading this article,
The guy is no crank: https://westernmedical.ca/employees/roger-g-hodkinson/

Marco.

Could be a bit of a worry for younger folk, not so much for most of us lot. I've had the snip anyway

[Marco]

Yeah, but it could be a slight worry for the future population! And *if* infertility is a genuine 'side-effect' of these vaccines, then what other 'unfortunate side-effects' might reveal themselves in due course..? There are also talks of miscarriages among some women who've been vaccinated, and which is currently being investigated.

That's the whole reason why I won't (yet) have any of the Covid vaccines, not because I think they're filled with nanochips, or anything like that, or even due to any concerns about their short-term safety, but because, IMO, the trials simply weren't carried out over a long enough period, or thorough enough, to adequately have assessed for, and thus revealed, potential problems with side-effects, in the medium to long term.

Unlike others, I don't just think about the here and now; I think of the future, which as still a relatively young (and certainly healthy) person, I should have plenty of to look forward to - and I want to live those years completely free from any concerns about what effects, IMO, a largely untried vaccine could have on my body. And I'm confident that my existing immune system will deal with Covid, should I contract it, but if not, that's a risk I'm willing to take.

However, I completely respect the decision of others to feel differently on this matter. At the end of the day, it's all about how we assess risk: you've taken the risk of being injected with (arguably) a not thoroughly enough tested new vaccine, in order hopefully to be protected against Covid, and I'm taking the risk of contracting Covid, by not being vaccinated against it, which is probably the greater risk - but each to his or her own

In any case, I just thought I'd bring this article to people's attention, as I believe it deserves some consideration. Because for me, yet more potentially serious side-effects of these new vaccines will come to light in the months (or years) ahead, which possibly none of the experts would have predicted, but may have been revealed if the trials for them had taken place over the correct amount of time, which is over many YEARS, not months.

Marco.

[struth]

There’s currently no evidence to suggest that COVID-19 vaccines could affect male or female fertility. The Royal College of Midwives and Royal College of Gynaecologists have said there is not a plausible way in which there could be an effect.

The Association of Reproductive and Clinical Scientists and the British Fertility Society have stated similarly. They advise that you can still have a COVID-19 vaccine while having fertility treatment such as IVF.


https://www.bupa.co.uk/newsroom/ourv...fect-fertility

[Macca]

Reads like a rant. He's asking them to produce evidence that the vaccines are safe instead of offering proof that they aren't. Where is his evidence it causes infertility?

I think the giveaway is that he goes on to trot out the old 'It's just like the 'flu' line. He might be a retired pathologist but that doesn't mean he isn't a crackpot. Lots of Nobel Prize winners who were into some bizarre shit:


Otto Stern (Physics, 1943) — Psychokinesis and Pauli effect[21]
Ernst Boris Chain (Physiology or Medicine, 1945) — Evolution denial[22]
Wolfgang Pauli (Physics, 1945) — Pauli effect, psychokinesis and paranormal[23][24]
Hideki Yukawa (Physics, 1949) — Intuition and mysticism superior to logic and reason, anti-science and Taoist relativism[25]
Linus Pauling (Chemistry, 1954, and Peace, 1962) — Vitamin C quackery/orthomolecular medicine[26]
William Shockley (Physics, 1956) — Racialism and eugenics[27]
James Watson (Physiology or Medicine, 1962) — Promoter of racialism[28][29]
Eugene Wigner (Physics, 1963) — Quantum mysticism[citation needed]
John Eccles (Physiology or Medicine, 1963) — Quantum consciousness[30]
Julian Schwinger (Physics, 1965) — Pushed cold fusion as late as 1991.[31]
Alfred Kastler (Physics, 1966) — Paranormal[32]
Hannes Alfvén (Physics, 1970) — Plasma cosmology[33]
Ivar Giaever (Physics, 1973) — Global warming denial[34]
Brian Josephson (Physics, 1973) — Psychic and paranormal phenomena.[35] Cold fusion.[36] Water memory and homeopathy.[37][38]
Nikolaas Tinbergen (Physiology or Medicine, 1973) — Crank theories of autism[39]
Kary Mullis (Chemistry, 1993) — Generally barking mad. AIDS denial, alien abduction, Aliensdidit, astrology, astral projection, conspiracy theories, cosmic raccoons, global warming denial, ozone denial. Possibly related to his heavy use of LSD.[40][41]
Walter Gilbert (Chemistry, 1980) — AIDS denial[42]. Although there are claims he is no longer skeptical of the claim HIV causes AIDS. The source for that seems to be a message board post that no longer exists.
Richard Smalley (Chemistry, 1996) — Creationism, Intelligent Design and evolution denial[43][44]
Louis J. Ignarro (Physiology or Medicine, 1998) — Herbalife[45]
Luc Montagnier (Physiology or Medicine, 2008) — Homeopathy, water memory, autism quackery, AIDS cured by nutrition and vaccine hysteria[46][47][48]
Martin Evans (Physiology or Medicine, 2007) stem cell quackery[49]

[Marco]

There’s currently no evidence to suggest that COVID-19 vaccines could affect male or female fertility. The Royal College of Midwives and Royal College of Gynaecologists have said there is not a plausible way in which there could be an effect.

The Association of Reproductive and Clinical Scientists and the British Fertility Society have stated similarly. They advise that you can still have a COVID-19 vaccine while having fertility treatment such as IVF.

https://www.bupa.co.uk/newsroom/ourv...fect-fertility

Well, that's one source to consider, to support one side of the argument. Remember though, that the claim was, I quote: "VACCINES could cause “mass male infertility”. No statements of fact there, just something to consider.

However, the Dr in question goes on to say:

"There is “sufficient evidence in the literature” to show the spike protein expresses in the placenta and the testes – and could kill unborn babies in current pregnancies and permanently stop men having children."

Then cites the following and outlines his evidence, as follows:

"I’m a serious evidence-based career pathologist who has done everything in pathology at national and provincial levels and I take evidence-based science very, very seriously. I’m not a conspiracy theorist, I’m not an anti-vaxxer, I’m none of the above. But when I see certain things in the literature that could – underlined – have serious potential long-term sequelae, I think it’s my duty to stand up and blow the whistle and say ‘hey, stop the train, have you seen this? It needs to be looked at. I hope it’s wrong but show me the data’.

***The data I’m talking about is well-described in the literature, that of the significant expression of the ACE 2 receptor in both the placenta and the testes. And more importantly, in the testes it’s the cells that actually produce the spermatozoa, the precursors, called spermatogonia. Clearly there is an excess of spike protein circulating as a result of an unexpected surge in some people who get the vaccine.

And that circulation takes the spike protein everywhere, including the placenta of women who happen to be pregnant at the time, which is a one-time hit for that particular pregnancy, probably not for subsequent ones. But there is also potential for a hit on the testes, which of course is not a one-time hit, it could be a permanent hit***

In a world where we know that sperm counts have dropped 40 per cent over the last 10 or 20 years – a massive unexplained drop in sperm counts – we don’t need some additional hits on male fertility."

Note the highlighted section above. None of us here are medical experts, so simply aren't qualified to challenge his assertions, but that doesn't mean they don't have some basis in truth. And that's not going to be challenged by reading information contained in mainstream sources, such as BUPA.

Marco.

[Marco]

Reads like a rant. He's asking them to produce evidence that the vaccines are safe instead of offering proof that they aren't. Where is his evidence it causes infertility?

I think the giveaway is that he goes on to trot out the old 'It's just like the 'flu' line. He might be a retired pathologist but that doesn't mean he isn't a crackpot. Lots of Nobel Prize winners who were into some bizarre shit:


Otto Stern (Physics, 1943) — Psychokinesis and Pauli effect[21]
Ernst Boris Chain (Physiology or Medicine, 1945) — Evolution denial[22]
Wolfgang Pauli (Physics, 1945) — Pauli effect, psychokinesis and paranormal[23][24]
Hideki Yukawa (Physics, 1949) — Intuition and mysticism superior to logic and reason, anti-science and Taoist relativism[25]
Linus Pauling (Chemistry, 1954, and Peace, 1962) — Vitamin C quackery/orthomolecular medicine[26]
William Shockley (Physics, 1956) — Racialism and eugenics[27]
James Watson (Physiology or Medicine, 1962) — Promoter of racialism[28][29]
Eugene Wigner (Physics, 1963) — Quantum mysticism[citation needed]
John Eccles (Physiology or Medicine, 1963) — Quantum consciousness[30]
Julian Schwinger (Physics, 1965) — Pushed cold fusion as late as 1991.[31]
Alfred Kastler (Physics, 1966) — Paranormal[32]
Hannes Alfvén (Physics, 1970) — Plasma cosmology[33]
Ivar Giaever (Physics, 1973) — Global warming denial[34]
Brian Josephson (Physics, 1973) — Psychic and paranormal phenomena.[35] Cold fusion.[36] Water memory and homeopathy.[37][38]
Nikolaas Tinbergen (Physiology or Medicine, 1973) — Crank theories of autism[39]
Kary Mullis (Chemistry, 1993) — Generally barking mad. AIDS denial, alien abduction, Aliensdidit, astrology, astral projection, conspiracy theories, cosmic raccoons, global warming denial, ozone denial. Possibly related to his heavy use of LSD.[40][41]
Walter Gilbert (Chemistry, 1980) — AIDS denial[42]. Although there are claims he is no longer skeptical of the claim HIV causes AIDS. The source for that seems to be a message board post that no longer exists.
Richard Smalley (Chemistry, 1996) — Creationism, Intelligent Design and evolution denial[43][44]
Louis J. Ignarro (Physiology or Medicine, 1998) — Herbalife[45]
Luc Montagnier (Physiology or Medicine, 2008) — Homeopathy, water memory, autism quackery, AIDS cured by nutrition and vaccine hysteria[46][47][48]
Martin Evans (Physiology or Medicine, 2007) stem cell quackery[49]

Fair enough, that's your view of him, and you could be right, but equally you could be wrong. As ever with these types of things, it's simply about putting info out there for consideration, or dismissal.

The basic point I'm making is that I'm convinced that as the months and years go on, more and more side-effects of these vaccines will come to light, but which might otherwise have been discovered earlier, had they been properly tested over the normal timeframe, instead of rushed through in a panic to 'save the world'.

Marco.