Location: South Yorkshire
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I'm Andre.
Well i do headphone listening mostly but i just can hear, i am very sensitive to tone & High frequency..
Checked out the links , thanks, not sure where i got 12dB from but a bit more research looks like the dynamic range of an LP is about 60dB. You can definitely improve that with digital, even 320kbps max is about 90dB of dynamic range. Much of which will be dependant on the mastering in the first place.
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I'm Marcus.
In answer to the original question - of course streaming is not doomed. Sound quality is not a factor for the vast majority, as long as it is good enough, those who want vinyl or anything else will continue to use, just as some people still buy laserdiscs. Maybe at some point in the future some new model will appear, who can predict the future?
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No read again everyone assumes it’s 60db bit actually you have to take low level noise floor into account of turntable and stylus on record if you take that out it is actually much better, and as it says you get a much better noise floor with a high end turntable,arm and stylus.
Listening is the act of aural discrimination and dissemination of sound, and accepting you get it wrong sometimes.
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Except you don't, his comparison is badly flawed. It doesn't take mastering differences into account, he's just picking one (analogue) recording and claiming it is representative. The noise floor on the cd recording will be tape hiss from the recording process, this will swamp any inherent noise in the CD medium itself and will swamp at least some of the noise from the vinyl system, especially at higher frequencies.
He doesn't seem to appreciate the problems involved in measuring the true dynamic range of a vinyl record. (It will always show as artificially high). We already know that comparing the very best of both you will get a maximum of 70dB out of a vinyl, 90dB out of a CD. 70dB is plenty which is why no-one complains about the limited dynamic range of vinyl. 90dB is massively more range than will ever be required for home replay.
Added to which he says 'I much prefer listening to the LP over the CD on my system. The CD sounds dull, congested, muddy, and lacking in dynamics. If I push up the volume, the sound becomes noticeably harsh and artificial. '
That's a problem with his amplification, not the CD.
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TEAC VRDS 701T > Sony TAE1000ESD > Krell KSA50S > JM Labs Focal Electra 926.
Happily enjoying streaming from Tidal, Qobuz and even Spotify 320kbs.
as good, just “different” from vinyl in my experience.
Can enjoy both.
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Listening is the act of aural discrimination and dissemination of sound, and accepting you get it wrong sometimes.
Analog Inputs: Pro-Ject Signature 10 TT & arm, Benz Micro LP-S, Michel Cusis MC, Goldring 2500 and Ortofon Rondo Blue cartridges, Hitachi FT5500 mk2 Tuner
Digital:- Marantz SA-KI Pearl CD player, RaspberryPi/HifiBerry Digi+ Pro, Buffalo NAS Drive
Amplification:- AudioValve Sunilda phono stage, Krell KSP-7B pre-amp, Krell KSA-80 power amp
Output: Wilson Benesch Vector speakers, KLH Ultimate One Headphones
Cables: Tellurium Q Ultra Black II RCA & Chord Epic 2 RCA, various speaker leads, & links
I think I am nearing audio nirvana, but don’t tell anyone.
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I'm Jo.
Agreed. Streaming vs. CD or vinyl is not just as issue over convenience and quality. Whie it is undoubtedly very convenient to be able to use streaming sites to find new composers and check out various versions of a piece, I am uncomfortable with the privacy that these companies walk away with. I can 'go private' and use track blockers &c, but these technicques are vrtually useless against fingerprinting tech. If i pay cash for a CD or an LP the seller can't access my details and online habits and sell them on to third parties. Fingerprinting is becoming more of a problem for me.
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