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I'm Philip.
SUT recommendations .
I'm looking for a new SUT to replace my Hashimoto's which have too much gain , so I am looking for recommendations for 1:10 SUT's that can sonically compete with my HM3's .
For the record I have tried Sowters and found them lacking .
Any recommendations ? .
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I'm Adam.
HM-7..?! Mine are Fantastic and offer 1:10
"lack of passion is fatal"
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I'm Paul.
That's a tough one as having tried/heard many SUT's from Billington to Auditorium I have found nothing to better the HM3's organic sound even the best of the Bob's Devices.... A friend has HM7's but I like the 3.... S&B TX-103's can be set to 1:10 and were not that far behind the Hashimoto's in my set up but not as good and it was easily apparent.... Good luck and some of the vintage Tamura's I heard back in the day were excellent.
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I'm Paul.
Quote: HM-7..?! Mine are Fantastic and offer 1:10
I thought the HM-7 offered 1:15....!
Last edited by Miller; 27-11-2019 at 14:10.
EMT 930ST
Garrard 301/3009 MK1
Micro Seiki MR-711/MA-202L
Stax SRA-3S MM phono amplifier
Nagra BPSv2 phonostage
BigBottle BB3 Phonostage
Telefunken Bv.42-01 Transformer
Hashimoto HM-3 Transformer
Braun CC4 Transformer
Ortofon Spu Synergy
Ortofon Cadenza Bronze
Miyajima Waza
Denon 103SA
Audio Technica AT33 Mono
IFI Pro Linestage
PYE HF12 KT66 Monoblocks
Uchida Sun Audio SV-300BE
Crimson Elektrik CS1500
Quantum Electronics 202D
Marantz 1060 Integrated
Western Electric Line Transformer
Yamaha CDR-HD1500
Tannoy 15" Bespoke
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I'm Simon.
HM-3 are 20x or 40xOriginally Posted by Miller
HM-X and HM-7 are 15x or 30x
I have used both HM-3 and HM-7 and prefer the HM-7. I haven't heard the HM-X
What cartridge and phono stage do you want to use the SUT with?
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I'm Philip.
Benz Micro Ace SL / HM3 / Tron Convergence MM .
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I'm Simon.
SL is 0.4 mV output, and Tron is 48 dB gain, or 5 mV in for 2V out, so 0.4 mV to 5 mV would be 12.5x SUT
Your HM-3 is 20x, so a switch to 10x would reduce overall system gain by 6 dB, whilst a switch to HM-7 or HM-X at 15x would reduce gain by 2.5 dB
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I'm Adam.
Yes apologies it’s 1:15 and 1:30 on the HM-7
"lack of passion is fatal"
Vinyl: Thorens TD-124mk2 / SME-312 Aluminium 'special' / SME M2-9R / STEREO: Etsuro Urushi Cobalt / Shure M3D / Ortofon SPU A95 / Cartridge Man Music Master / Shure - SC35C (US) / SAEC C3 MC MONO: Miyajima Zero B 0.7mil mono / Miyajima Premium 1.0 / Amps & SUTs: Radford STA25 mk3 / AD Audio 'Satchmo2' pre & LCR phono / Hashimoto HM-7 SUT / ETR-MONO SUT Digital: Audio Note 4.1 (with DAC5 upgrades) DAC / Roon / Tidal Speakers: Tannoy 12" MGs' in RFC custom 'Rutland' Cabinets with RFC crossovers / Tannoy ST-100 Super Tweeters Cables: LFD Grainless phono / RFC Mercury / Duelund DCA16GA tinned copper / Kimber 12TC / SW1X Audio Design USB-SPdif / Duelund DCA20GA interconnects / SW1X Audio SPDIF Aero 6 / Mains Power Conditioner / Box Furniture rack / Audiodesk Systeme Vinyl Cleaner / a very beautiful & understanding Wife!
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I'm Philip.
Thank you all for your input .
I have a Rothwell headspace headamp on its way to me . The adjustable gain should be great for me , keeping my fingers crossed it sounds ok . The Hashimoto's are a hard act to follow .
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I'm Bob.
The Headspace is an excellent product, extremely flexible. Be interesting to see if it gives you what you want.
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