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    Hi all.

    This has been a question I've been thinking about for some time. In these days of china manufacturing almost everything is it still possible to make an amplifier which is constructed from components made and sourced in the UK.

    I guess this could be a challenge for someone but if it was to be a challenge NOS materials would be accepted.

    From the smallest component to the case work it would all have to be from and made in the UK.

    So, is this possible? If so, what kind of quality would it reach in the grand scheme of things?

    What are the main problematic areas one would face?




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    That's a great challenge, but could get complex as to exactly what is a British manufacturer

    Would Zetex for instance to supply the transistors, qualify ?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zetex_Semiconductors

    As they are UK based but were acquired by Diodes incorporated Dallas USA in 2008
    but have a listing on the London Stock Exchange.

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    Designed and assembled in Britain would be a good start?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Black Adder View Post
    Hi all.

    This has been a question I've been thinking about for some time. In these days of china manufacturing almost everything is it still possible to make an amplifier which is constructed from components made and sourced in the UK.

    I guess this could be a challenge for someone but if it was to be a challenge NOS materials would be accepted.

    From the smallest component to the case work it would all have to be from and made in the UK.

    So, is this possible? If so, what kind of quality would it reach in the grand scheme of things?

    What are the main problematic areas one would face?




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    Everything you need for an amplifier is already available in the UK and made by British companies.

    The biggest issue they face, or that amp builder face, is the fact China can do it so mucv cheaper than we can. Including postage.

    Most likely because the chinese companys don't pay a living wage but also as important is the fact most British made items Include a high premium for being..... British made.

    I recently went to buy an insert Stove. The company that designs them is in Dudley. The design them, get them fabricated of site and then assemble them back in Dudley.

    The stove is 700.

    I went to a fireplace shop the other days to pick a new fireplace and the guy won't install our stove because it's "made in China". I explained, he didn't care.

    Instead he offered us a British one of exactly the same spec. The price.... 1400. Yes, double.

    Why anyone would buy British for the fact its British is beyond me.
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    Sugden appear as at least one remaining, entirely British based manufacturer of amplifiers.

    https://www.sugdenaudio.com/current

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    Okay, interesting.

    I guess a caveat would be that it would need to be designed and assembled here too.

    I guess there is quite a lot of confusion to what is made in the UK and assembled in the UK.

    Do sugden use components made in China?

    Also, price wise I guess that would be another interesting factor but for this it's not important. The question is can it be done?

    As for bought out companies. I'd not include them at them moment.

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    Nobody makes an electronic component that is absolutely 100% manufactured in the UK. The biggest single stumbling blocks are the electronic components and I very much doubt it is even possible to source every component from a UK manufacturer (and certainly not a UK owned and UK based manufacturer).

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Black Adder View Post
    Okay, interesting.

    I guess a caveat would be that it would need to be designed and assembled here too.

    I guess there is quite a lot of confusion to what is made in the UK and assembled in the UK.

    Do sugden use components made in China?

    Also, price wise I guess that would be another interesting factor but for this it's not important. The question is can it be done?

    As for bought out companies. I'd not include them at them moment.

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    Hi Josie
    I have written to Sugden to hopefully reply directly to the forum- if they meet the challenge.
    I will relay what they say, if their reply is instead direct to me.

    Cheers / Chris

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    Quote Originally Posted by YNWaN View Post
    Nobody makes an electronic component that is absolutely 100% manufactured in the UK. The biggest single stumbling blocks are the electronic components and I very much doubt it is even possible to source every component from a UK manufacturer (and certainly not a UK owned and UK based manufacturer).
    I agree in regards to base materials, some materials are only found in certain parts of the globe.

    But surely they manufacture parts here? And are proud to do so too? For example, charcroft, claritycap...?


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    A few of us have been doing this for quite a while now, I can think of three other small outlet manufacturers that designs and construct in this country using as many of the home grown parts as they can. These are very niche companies but have a small dedicated following, never going to make it as a large player, but then they do not wish to I suspect.

    Difficult when it comes to caps and really decent FET's, etc and quality casework that is produced in the UK at a price that the majority buying public would wish to pay.

    With our own amplifiers, around 45% is British manufactured components the reason so many amps (who's ever badge is on them) are Chinese manufactured simply do to cost and potential profit margins.

    Its a balance of running a business and keeping potential customer happy, not an easy task
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