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    Can I throw in the apparent improvement some seem to have noticed in that putting CDs onto iTunes/HDD makes things sound better? Which would (if you accept the premise) indicate that it's the players that are changing the sound.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dave2010 View Post
    An interesting story.

    I'm interested in the vinyl you listen to. Is it new - which is mostly digitally mastered, or older, which may have been created using tape and other analogue methods?

    I'm guessing that some of the discs you like were actually digital recordings at some point in the recording chain. In that case your preferences are not just for digital vs analogue, but for something in the consumer replay chain which you prefer using vinyl or something in the vinyl disc production chain.

    Am I right - or are all your preferred vinyl discs made from analogue sources, and edited using non digital methods?
    I have now over 1200 LPs, about 200 were given to me by a couple of friends who no longer listened to vinyl or even had a TT, most were from the 60's, 70's and 80's. I have purchased around 630 for £4 or less in charity/2nd hand, 265 for £10 or less mainly from records shops of Discogs, the remaining 120 are mainly new purchases.

    951 of them were released before 1983 (start of digital and CDs)

    171 released in the 80's, how many were originally digitally recorded in the studio I have now idea, but a lot of Pink Floyd from the Wall onwards was anyway, as was Dire Straits.

    23 released in the 90's, once again I have now idea which ones were digitally recorded in the studios.

    100 from 2000 to date, about 25 of them are originals from 2000 to date so the other 75 are re-releases of earlier originals.

    Some of the later originals I can actually tell they have been digitally mastered Rival Sons - Hollow Bones being one, to much compressions, loosing dynamics, interestingly one of my favourite albums St. Germain - Tourist would have definitely used digital recording and mixing during its production, but the dynamics and the reproduction of this album is outstanding IMO, similarly Slør by Eivør Pálsdóttir is a stunning record which was released in 2015 I would be very surprised if this was not recorded digitally.

    I think that digital at 96khz and above used sympathetically by a skilled recording engineer and not playing around with the dynamic content can and obviously does produce very good recordings, that is not artificially boosting the bottom end frequencies, and if transferred to Vinyl, CD or digital files, CD level and above, as accurately as possible will produce very good results. The replay result will then depend upon the listener and the quality of the equipment used.

    So as I was saying there is no clear cut hard and fast rule that analogue is better than digital, or digital is more accurate. However what is clear to me is that pure digital seems to loose some form of expressiveness and sense of realism when replayed, but analogue(vinyl) does not. In another thread which was extremely long with a host of arguments either way I highlighted that I had taken several favourite albums of mine and went to great lengths to find the same recordings from the same masters, on vinyl and digital, on CD and FLAC files. I then listened very carefully with a friend swapping on the fly to which I was blind to (did not know what was being played). I just made notes on each I listened to. We reviewed at the end and it was cleared I could discriminate between vinyl and CD every time, between CD and FLAC was about 60% successful, some albums being easier than others. I suspected a subtle re-mix being done from the master to CD, why I have no idea. In terms of what I found more enjoyable/engaging to listen to it was vinyl for me, although some digital recordings came very close.
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    Blimey Adrian you ARE seriously into this , Well done mate
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Sorry, Paul, who's that addressed to?

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    nobody in particular. I watched the start of the video and the dog was barking, ok that's normal for some when you ring the door bell, but the dog was barking in the background for as long as I watched which wasn't for long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe View Post
    It's a reference to the very start of the video; as Fremer opens his door a dog (or several dogs) starts barking quite loudly.
    Yes spot on
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Ah, it just seemed like a somewhat random comment, as the discussion has moved on since then.

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    It's the first time I had seen the thread. I haven't lost the plot yet
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    Some of the digital recordings I have sound fantastic.....on Vinyl!
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    I asked Mick Fleetwood when I met him about Fleetwood Mac in the studio and he said everything is recorded digitally EXCEPT his drumming which was analogue and then mixed together but I didn't ask how.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulf-2007 View Post
    nobody in particular. I watched the start of the video and the dog was barking, ok that's normal for some when you ring the door bell, but the dog was barking in the background for as long as I watched which wasn't for long.
    Lol - shows you how we focus on different things... I never really noticed the dog barking!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AJSki2fly View Post

    171 released in the 80's, how many were originally digitally recorded in the studio I have now idea, but a lot of Pink Floyd from the Wall onwards was anyway, as was Dire Straits.

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    Re Dire Straits only the last two albums were digital recordings, Love over Gold and all the previous albums are analogue recordings. Was The Wall really a digital recording? It would have been a very early one if so. If I had to bet I'd say it was analogue.
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