Yup, but no-one's disputing that, certainly not me - just not flawed in the way Justin describes. *Everything* in hi-fi is flawed to some degree, especially speakers, where the sound eventually emits from, and which have more measured distortion than anything else, by an order of magnitude! So that kind of renders worrying about how 'accurate' vinyl (or anything else upstream) is as somewhat ridiculous!
I completely agree. That's why, as I've said before, there is very little disparity between the sound of my T/T and my CD player, when both are playing the same music (as I have umpteen albums of the same music on vinyl and CD, so comparisons are quick and easy). No-one said getting there though was easy, or cheap!IME, only if you are prepared to go 100% into vinyl replay, can you expect to match the SQ of digital.
Marco.
Main System
Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.
Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.
Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.
CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.
Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.
Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.
Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.
Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.
Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.
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I 'stick to my guns' because 35 years of experience tells me I'm right, not just to be stubborn or to try and win an argument. And why wouldn't the majority of my LPs sound great? I'm fussy about what I buy and have a great sounding T/T and system, so dude, it's kind of expected...
You haven't answered the point I made about vinyl rips. Care to have a go, or shall we just leave it here?
Marco.
Main System
Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.
Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.
Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.
CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.
Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.
Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.
Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.
Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.
Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.
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The speakers we use substantially filter and manipulate everything that is fed to them.
It's for that reason that ever since I got into this hobby nearly 50 years ago I've been a 'speakers first' type of hifi lover.
Amps come next, then source gear, especially with digital.
Open the speaker window on the music wider or clean the glass a little and things can come across very differently. And perhaps lead you to come to different conclusions about the rest of the gear in the system and the nature of what medium is 'best' for you.
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Massive point Jerry.
Tannoise are particularly sympathetic to vinyl I find.
My Apogees? No. They tell you it ain't that great. And you can hear why. You can even see why. The bass panels show you the LF is all over the place. You can see the warps and ripples right in front of you.
Not to mention how they interact with the room, which is also kind of significant...
But yes, you're absolutely right, which is why fretting over 'flaws' upstream, in vinyl or otherwise, which in comparison are minor, is a little 'silly' to say the least!
I'd also argue that if you mainly listen to electronic music, which by its very nature isn't real, and manufactured, then it going to be difficult judging how 'accurate' the sound is that you're listening to, whether or not it's been recorded on a digital or analogue format.
Therefore, I'd contend that the only way to accurately judge the flaws of the vinyl medium is to use sounds that are natural and real [not electronic noises], and which through the years, our ears have become attuned to, and in turn developed an accurate perception of, such as the human voice.
Good acoustic recordings of such have always been the definitive arbiter for realism, when it comes to judging the sound produced by hi-fi systems, or any of their constituent components.
I won't get into the 'source first (or otherwise)' debate, as I have differing views from the majority here, although I'm not a staunch source-first guy, so we'll save that discussion for another day
Marco.
Main System
Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.
Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.
Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.
CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.
Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.
Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.
Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.
Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.
Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.
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