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    I think I'd have to go way up market to compare with CD quality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pharos View Post
    I think I'd have to go way up market to compare with CD quality.
    The set ups Marco is referring to are way up market But bloody good. Way past the point where you care what format you're listening to.
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    Depends what you mean by "way up market"....

    My modded vintage Sony CDP cost me around £5k, and sonically competes very favourably with players today costing many times more. My modded Technics SL-1210 has cost me around £7k, and with suitably mint, well-produced vinyl, it TROUNCES any CD player I've heard - at ANY price!

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    For me, the reason CD took off the way it did was the portability aspect as much as anything else. I didn't bother with CD until 1995, when I got a company car that had 12 CD disc changer in it, and being able to load up that with discs that were infinitely better than cassettes was a game change for me (as someone who was then driving 50k miles a year for work.)

    I'd never heard of Michael Fremer, and didn't bother watching the YouTube video until today, when I put it on expecting to watch 5 minutes and watched it all. I didn't mind him, wasn't offended by his jokes but was mostly impressed by his honesty and passion for his craft. Crap musician though!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    The set ups Marco is referring to are way up market But bloody good. Way past the point where you care what format you're listening to.
    So it *can* be done?

    Also, you know what I'm like with setting up turntables and/or squeezing maximum SPPV out of them, on a limited budget, so I'd feel very confident of being able to put together a top-notch, but affordable, vinyl replay system that would sonically compete with digital replay systems costing many, MANY times more. And Alex will remember the 'cheap as chips' systems he and Mike put together at Scalford, and people's reactions towards them!!

    You simply use your ears and experience of knowing which 'bits' to put together that will produce the desired effect [synergy] - and *most importantly with vinyl*, be ANAL/fastidious to the point of ridiculousness, about set-up, and the 'hygiene' and quality of the software itself!

    Those two areas, along with not spending anywhere near enough on the partnering phonostage, are where most folks get it wrong with vinyl.

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.


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    I listened to/auditioned a lot of CD players in the mid to late '80s when they first emerged. With only one exception, they gave me a headache, so I stuck with vinyl. The sole exception was a Meridian player, which was way beyond my reach then, but which the dealer threw into the mix as an example of 'the best' in CD. I finally bought a CD player in about '93; it wasn't the Meridian, which I still couldn't afford, but an Arcam Alpha, a 'good enough' model which lasted me for 5 years, when I bought an Exposure CDP, which I still have. The Exposure was the one which, to my ears, sounded as good as vinyl. Some years later I picked up a Meridian player, which was equally good and which I still use. Whether I'd find the ones I hated in the '80s any better now is unknowable.

    Unlike Macca, I've never sought to duplicate my vinyl collection on CD; I can think of only three examples, all of which were because the LP was knackered to the point of unplayability. Most of my CDs are classical, for which the absence of surface noise and longer playing times are well-suited. I have quite a number of classical LPs, but rarely play them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    So it *can* be done?

    Also, you know what I'm like with setting up turntables and/or squeezing maximum SPPV out of them, on a limited budget, so I'd feel very confident of being able to put together a top-notch, but affordable, vinyl replay system that would sonically compete with digital replay systems costing many, MANY times more.

    You simply use your ears and experience of knowing which 'bits' to put together that will produce the desired effect [synergy] - and *most importantly with vinyl*, be ANAL/fastidious to the point of ridiculousness, about set-up, and the 'hygiene' and quality of the software itself!

    Those two areas, along with not spending anywhere near enough on the partnering phonostage, are where most folks get it wrong with vinyl.

    Marco.
    I agree about the phono stage, it should not be underestimated in its importance. As far as digital goes though my thinking has changed. I no longer think there's any point in spending big money on that side of things. Much bigger rewards from spending it on the amps and speakers instead.
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    TEAC VRDS 701T > Sony TAE1000ESD > Krell KSA50S > JM Labs Focal Electra 926.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    I agree about the phono stage, it should not be underestimated in its importance. As far as digital goes though my thinking has changed. I no longer think there's any point in spending big money on that side of things. Much bigger rewards from spending it on the amps and speakers instead.
    And the room, if that's an option. If not, a good headphone set-up is well worth 'investing' in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex_UK View Post

    I'd never heard of Michael Fremer, and didn't bother watching the YouTube video until today, when I put it on expecting to watch 5 minutes and watched it all. I didn't mind him, wasn't offended by his jokes but was mostly impressed by his honesty and passion for his craft. Crap musician though!
    It's an entertaining watch I agree. I don't think much to his reviews mind, just over the top fantasy. But I've nowt against him personally.
    Current Lash Up:

    TEAC VRDS 701T > Sony TAE1000ESD > Krell KSA50S > JM Labs Focal Electra 926.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    As far as digital goes though my thinking has changed. I no longer think there's any point in spending big money on that side of things. Much bigger rewards from spending it on the amps and speakers instead.
    100% agree - the old "source first" mantra doesn't apply to digital, especially streaming, and even cheap DACs can produce very good results. I don't spend "big money" on anything (in context to some of you) but would go so far as to say that the speakers are the most important component for me now - completely at odds with the old "rules" but where it makes the most difference in a modern setup, even if the speakers are vintage, if that makes sense.
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