Michael Fremer said :-

[Marco]

Tannoise are particularly sympathetic to vinyl I find.

Is that a deliberate miss-spelling - if so why? And don't get Jerry started on Tannoys!

Besides, I've owned umpteen different types of speakers, over the years with my vinyl set-ups, and all have shown, to varying degrees, how good the format is (and also highlighted some of its flaws), including the 66s you raved about at Scalford....

Marco.

[Jimbo]

Not to mention how they interact with the room, which is also kind of significant...

But yes, you're absolutely right, which is why fretting over 'flaws' upstream, in vinyl or otherwise, which in comparison are minor, is a little 'silly' to say the least!

I'd also argue that if you mainly listen to electronic music, which by its very nature isn't real, and manufactured, then it going to be difficult judging how 'accurate' the sound is that you're listening to, whether or not it's been recorded on a digital or analogue format.

Therefore, I'd contend that the only way to accurately judge the flaws of the vinyl medium is to use sounds that are natural and real [not electronic noises], and which through the years, our ears have become attuned to, and developed an accurate perception of, such as the human voice.

Good acoustic recordings of such have always been the definitive arbiter for realism, when it comes to judging the sound produced by hi-fi systems, or any of their constituent components.

I won't get into the 'source first (or otherwise)' debate, as I have differing views from the majority here, although I'm not a staunch source-first guy, so we'll save that discussion for another day

Marco.

I would say room interaction has an even bigger effect on the sound from my experience.

[User211]

Is that a deliberate miss-spelling - if so why? And don't get Jerry started on Tannoys!

Besides, I've owned umpteen different types of speakers, over the years with my vinyl set-ups, and all have shown, to varying degrees, how good the format is (and also highlighted some of its flaws), including the 66s you raved about at Scalford....

Marco.

Mr Sensitive. It's just a bit of fun.

The Celestion system was great. Vinyl can sound brilliant. I haven't said it can't. I have said why I think it can sound as good as it does sometimes. But those virtues are also enemies. Noise injection ain't great between tracks and for classical can be unlistenable I find.

[Marco]

Mr Sensitive. It's just a bit of fun.

There we go again - you can't help yourself and don't seem to realise when you're being personal or patronising!

I'm not "Mr Sensitive"; I'm simply making comment and defending my opinion, whilst having some fun in the progress, and which you're obviously reading as something else. However, if you keep on being patronising and making personal remarks, then it'll cease being fun.

So, I take it's a no to tackling the post I made about vinyl rips? What about the point I made about electronic music not being real? You seem to only address the points you feel are easy to answer, whilst conveniently ignoring the rest

And let's not forget who opened this can of worms in the first place, and brought up the whole vinyl thing, by making the statement he did earlier

If you want to be provocative, or a wind-up merchant, then be prepared for the consequences

Marco.

[struth]

im wearing silk today

[Marco]

Gosh darling, is that in readiness for Christmas?

Marco.

[Macca]

Just one thing....

We've been here before, and I've demonstrated this to Macca, by ripping a vinyl copy of Nat King Cole's 'Live at the Sands' onto CD (a favourite album of his that he owned beforehand on a commercially produced CD, and knew inside out), which I sent to him to compare with his own CD, and aside from some very low-level surface noice, on certain tracks, which you have to expect with vinyl, he couldn't tell the difference - and neither could I. Both sounded superb, and 'sonically correct'.

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This isn't quite correct. It was Frank Sinatra not Nat King Cole. And it does not sound identical to my CD version, although I wouldn't expect it to as your vinyl copy is a completely different mastering.

It does sound perfectly acceptable of course, why wouldn't it?

[struth]

Gosh darling, is that in readiness for Christmas?

Marco.

keep my extremities warm old chap

[Marco]

This isn't quite correct. It was Frank Sinatra not Nat King Cole. And it does not sound identical to my CD version, although I wouldn't expect it to as your vinyl copy is a completely different mastering.

It does sound perfectly acceptable of course, why wouldn't it?

Sorry, I meant Frank Sinatra (which I was thinking but somehow typed something else), my boob!

Sure, by my point is, you didn't detect any obvious sonic flaws in the vinyl rip, compared with your digitally-only produced CD, which you would've done had Justin's assertions been correct.

Marco.

[User211]

There we go again - you can't help yourself and don't seem to realise when you're being personal or patronising!

I'm not "Mr Sensitive"; I'm simply making comment and defending my opinion, whilst having some fun in the progress, and which you're obviously reading as something else. However, if you keep on being patronising and making personal remarks, then it'll cease being fun.

So, I take it's a no to tackling the post I made about vinyl rips? What about the point I made about electronic music not being real? You seem to only address the points you feel are easy to answer, whilst conveniently ignoring the rest

And let's not forget who opened this can of worms in the first place, and brought up the whole vinyl thing, by making the statement he did earlier

If you want to be provocative, or a wind-up merchant, then be prepared for the consequences

Marco.

Marco I am at work doing a job. I cannot devote all my time satisfying your desires about what you think you need to know from me.

To be frank I find your constant assertions that I am patronising you to be absurd. And intensely annoying. How many times do I have to tell you I am not doing so???

I am taking a break to let you cool down again. Get a grip, bro.