Michael Fremer said :-

[struth]

never heard a rap track i can stand personally.. to me its guff, and not music, but each to their own

[Pharos]

Lol... It's all about the BASS, bro, da BASS...Bout that bass, no treble...'





Seriously, I couldn't give a fuck about the lyrics, indeed like Rob, find much of them distasteful [especially how they often demean women], *but* some of those tracks have KILLER basslines - and DAT is what turns me on! Therefore, I'm quite selective about what rap/hip-hop I listen to. It MUST deliver the goods, bass-wise.

However, lyrically, I enjoy and relate to some of the political rants rappers make against 'the system', which given my proclivities in that area, you will understand - indeed many of these dudes have their fingers of the pulse, as it were, in terms of that kind of stuff, and aren't blinded by all the bullshit that's going on, like many 'normal folk'...

Marco.

My not only indifference to most rap, but actual dislike of it raises questions in my mind about my intelligence/ ability.

As a moral person, my concerns follow from that, and my stance has always been to identify and empathise with the underdog. The result of this position is that I like blues, country and some soul, much of which states the plaintiff position verbally, and if written well, uses chords and melody congruously and expressively consistent with that.

I cannot think that profoundly loud bass lines are anything other than an aggressive, lowest common denominator, rather like war drums, and although I do not doubt that there are some genuine gripes being angrily talked about, most of the words are unintelligible to me. Subtle it aint.

It is tendentiously partial, and seemingly addresses only the gripes of the individual re his id needs and personal feelings of injustice, and this tends to further perpetrate the polarised preoccupation which our society has with self interest, rather than expressions about injustice which we all may share, empathise with and form a consensus about.

[Marco]

never heard a rap track i can stand personally.. to me its guff, and not music, but each to their own

Guff! Yer past it now, auld yin...



Marco.

[Marco]

My not only indifference to most rap, but actual dislike of it raises questions in my mind about my intelligence/ ability.

As a moral person, my concerns follow from that, and my stance has always been to identify and empathise with the underdog. The result of this position is that I like blues, country and some soul, much of which states the plaintiff position verbally, and if written well, uses chords and melody congruously and expressively consistent with that.

I cannot think that profoundly loud bass lines are anything other than an aggressive, lowest common denominator, rather like war drums, and although I do not doubt that there are some genuine gripes being angrily talked about, most of the words are unintelligible to me. Subtle it aint.

It is tendentiously partial, and seemingly addresses only the gripes of the individual re his id needs and personal feelings of injustice, and this tends to further perpetrate the polarised preoccupation which our society has with self interest, rather than expressions about injustice which we all may share, empathise with and form a consensus about.

Interesting insight as usual, Dennis, but on this occasion you're overthinking it. It's just a cool vibe to have going on, when you're driving along in a 'bad-ass' car...

However, based on what I know of you, I couldn't imaging you listening to rap music, let alone driving a bad-ass car

Marco.

[Joe]

Lol - yes I noticed that, but didn't want to embarrass him

Marco.

That'll be the day!

[Pharos]

The only possible failure of 'overthinking', is to waste energy and time producing superfluous and hence unnecessary truths, and so it may be energetically unfavourable. How can we have too much truth? Surely it will all be useful as we develop and progress in sophistication, at least at some time in the future.

Bad-ass car? What is a bad-ass car? I do like naughty speed, at least on motorcycles, before the ubiquity of cameras which prevent us using what they can do.

Try this;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJALQcCHuF0

[Joe]

The only possible failure of 'overthinking', is to waste energy and time producing superfluous and hence unnecessary truths, and so it may be energetically unfavourable. How can we have too much truth? Surely it will all be useful as we develop and progress in sophistication, at least at some time in the future.

I guess it's like when Freud said 'Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar', or when someone tries to 'explain' a joke and ruins it in the process. Some things, such as certain types of humour, don't require conscious thought at all; you either 'get' them, or you don't.

[Joe]

Lol... It's all about the BASS, bro, da BASS...Bout that bass, no treble...'





Seriously, I couldn't give a fuck about the lyrics, indeed like Rob, find much of them distasteful [especially how they often demean women], *but* some of those tracks have KILLER basslines - and DAT is what turns me on! Therefore, I'm quite selective about what rap/hip-hop I listen to. It MUST deliver the goods, bass-wise.

However, lyrically, I enjoy and relate to some of the political rants rappers make against 'the system', which given my proclivities in that area, you will understand - indeed many of these dudes have their fingers of the pulse, as it were, in terms of that kind of stuff, and aren't blinded by all the bullshit that's going on in today's world, like many 'normal folk'...

Marco.

So the lyrics don't matter, unless they do. Hmm.

[Marco]

That'll be the day!

Lol - so you admit your mistake then? I guess a little confusion is to be expected at your age!

Marco.

[Marco]

So the lyrics don't matter, unless they do. Hmm.

They matter when I can relate to them and the theme is of interest to me. Not a difficult concept to grasp, I shouldn't have thought

Marco.