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    Following the Second London Bomb Blast in the 90's
    I was given a few slabs of removed 30mm Granite from a Prominent Buildings Facade in London.
    This material was cut into shaped layers for a Monlith Plinth for a 401, which become a 9 Stone Beast, I lived in a Townhouse at the time, logistically it was a Nightmare.
    I kept it until about three years ago when a friend finally coerced the sale of it from me.
    I was very sore after loading it into the vehicle, with strained arm joints and chronic pain that lasted a few weeks. I reverse the car tight to the front door and I have a sack barrow now for the heavy items. This worked great for Exhibiting at Kegworth.
    The remaining Material was shaped to produce Six Shelves for a HiFi Stand/Rack,
    a Exotic Harwood was turned by a local Wood Turner/ Artist to produce the Pillars, and Ash was turned to produce the Shelve support rails.
    These Racks are still with me today and are of as much importance in my set up as any other component, my system would feel incomplete without them.
    Interestingly I am presently revisiting my HiFi Supporting methods and have very recently placed a heavy duty wall bracket set up above the original racks, and am using different types of materials for shelving and sub plinth materials to attenuate sources to my ear.
    The original racks are now decoupled from direct contact with the floor, the decoupling consists of of two granite kerbs sitting on Rubber Footers, the Granite Kerbs have Sylomer Isolation Pads sat on top as Footers for a 1100mm x 700mm x 12mm Steel Plate that rests on the two granite kerbs.
    The Original Racks are now sitting on the Steel Plate with Sylomer as Footers, but there is a little movement in the rack, so I will probably exchange the Sylomer for Delrin as the Delrin will offer a good solid damped footer.
    Is any of the above required ??? who knows !!
    Am I going to reverse anything to A/B the effects, definately not, that Steel Plate was a Killer, on the subject of Rugs and WAF, I'm gald the wife was out when i got the steel sheet into the hallway, as the rug was the perfect skid to drag the Steel Sheet on to the
    HiFi room.
    As for shelving and Sub Plinth Materials I have been offered a very good effect on attenuation and SQ while using compressed foams to the Likes of a Roofmate materials compression and ultimately Phonotherm/Puranit.
    A Roofmate type compressed material is commonly available as a waste material from contruction and will be obtainable very cheaply and probably free if enquired about.
    Stands/Racks are in my view, the vehicle to allow for the introduction of differing attenuation/damping materials as footers or Sub Plinths.
    From my experience this additional exercise is more than worth investigation, and if I was to produce a rack again, I would allow a additional 50mm minimum spacing between shelving to accommadate a introduction of materials over time.
    I am lead to believe Sylomer has very similar properties to Sorbothane, it has a more industrial purpose, so can easily deal with weight, most important is that the inherent material properties are not changing as does Sorbothane, so over time it will be offering the exact effects that were initially picked up on.

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    John , Looks like you have been on a adventure with the comments in the above post , Good luck , PS I might tell your wife next time I see her
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    I have some rest day now and yes the bloody weather is against me yet again

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    Darling wife tries ever so hard to support me in my HiFi endeavors,
    she's left scratching her head at the madness I can attach to how a Album should be replayed.

    I'm learning too, I now make sure that the doors into a room can remain on their hinges to be used as a opening/closing door, manually removing a door and putting it back in a opening is a chore, and then the dog jumps up it from the wrong side,and it falls over hitting a individual closest to it on a sofa, Baaad Dogggy.
    Sofas are no longer back to back in the middle of a room, with a TV in a position so that if on either sofa, one has to look across their shoulder to view it .
    The Window reveals are no longer stuffed full with rockwool sheets, that's a more recent change, I've still got withdrawal issues, I might have to put a little bit back, as well as the diffusing panels
    I look at some of the systems in images on the forums, and I wonder if one day, I'll be able to produce such a marriage friendly set up.

    Very soon the latest version of the HiFi Systems Racking will be complete.
    Just the last Monolith to get through the front door and uproot the Hall Flooring as I drag it to the music room, a Granite Engineering Block, it was telehandler loaded onto a trailer and JCB Unloaded, I'll guess the Dim's for now, 1900mm x 350mm x 150mm,
    all for the 845 Monoblocks to sit on, taking their prominent place in the room,
    'because they're worth it'
    I can then visit the Chiropractor, I hear the recommended one 'is good for the Craic'.

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    I use Usher racks as they are bang on for larger componants. Check em out

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnG View Post
    Darling wife tries ever so hard to support me in my HiFi endeavors,
    she's left scratching her head at the madness I can attach to how a Album should be replayed.

    I'm learning too, I now make sure that the doors into a room can remain on their hinges to be used as a opening/closing door, manually removing a door and putting it back in a opening is a chore, and then the dog jumps up it from the wrong side,and it falls over hitting a individual closest to it on a sofa, Baaad Dogggy.
    Sofas are no longer back to back in the middle of a room, with a TV in a position so that if on either sofa, one has to look across their shoulder to view it .
    The Window reveals are no longer stuffed full with rockwool sheets, that's a more recent change, I've still got withdrawal issues, I might have to put a little bit back, as well as the diffusing panels
    I look at some of the systems in images on the forums, and I wonder if one day, I'll be able to produce such a marriage friendly set up.

    Very soon the latest version of the HiFi Systems Racking will be complete.
    Just the last Monolith to get through the front door and uproot the Hall Flooring as I drag it to the music room, a Granite Engineering Block, it was telehandler loaded onto a trailer and JCB Unloaded, I'll guess the Dim's for now, 1900mm x 350mm x 150mm,
    all for the 845 Monoblocks to sit on, taking their prominent place in the room,
    'because they're worth it'
    I can then visit the Chiropractor, I hear the recommended one 'is good for the Craic'.
    Nice to see you are discovering the use of paragraphs. Now I can read you posts, rather than the block of text which I used to ignore because it was difficult to read.
    Barry

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    And it's chucking it down yet again
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    gonna be like that here too, probably most places. Was sunny a short while ago but its dark again now
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    I have viewed the Usher Racks and can clearly see the appeal of them.
    Without a up close investigation of the Usher Racks, I can see the method of building this type of Rack is very achievable from a DIY perspective if the overall cost of a Branded Build is not to ones liking.

    I am being a bit cheeky and sharing my thoughts on how a Usher Type Rack can be produced as a DIY Build, in this unrelated equipment rack thread.

    I would use 8mm x 75mm x 75mm Aluminium Angle cut to approximately 1200mm in length.
    I would then attach to the angle a Aluminium Base Plate with a Dimension of
    65mm x 65mm x 15mm, the Base Plate will have the Side wall Drilled and tapped to receive 2 x 8mm threaded bolts on each face that connects to the Angle.
    The bottom face of the Aluminium Base plate will be positioned approximately 8mm above the bottom of the Angle, this will leave a reasonable amount of overhang material from the Holes drilled in the Angle to match up with the Base Plate 8mm tapped holes.
    This interface between the two materials is where the main stresses are to be received from the weight of the equipment loaded onto the rack.
    I would clamp the Aluminium Base Plate to the Angle at the position to allow a 8mm overhang of material, and then pilot drill through the angle into the side wall of the base plate. This procedure will create the perfect hole centres between the two parts.
    The Pilot holes in the Angle will not require a larger bore than 9mm, the closer the clearance to 8mm the better.
    Aesthetically a Countersink Headed Bolt will finish flush in the Angle.

    A Spiked foot, or Footer of choice, will be attached to the underside of the Aluminium Base Plate, the closer the Spiked foot is fastened to the corner of the Aluminium Base Plate/ Aluminium Angle Interface the better, as it will alleviate any unnecessary stresses from allowing too much of a cantilever force being applied to the spiked feet due to the incorrect positioning.
    If the opposite diagonal corner is chosen as the attachment point for the footer, then as the rack is loaded with equipment the stresses applied to the attachment point of the footer will increase by a unwanted margin due to the cantilever effects.
    Note when preparing for the Pilot Drilling, be mindful of where the Spiked foot will attach as any drilling for this will not want to encroach the space of the 8mm tapped holes in the side wall of the Base Plate.

    The Shelving Supports could be achieved using the same method as the footer support,
    to give the rack rigidity the Shelves will need to be a perfect fit to the inner dimensions between the angles inner faces.
    The Shelve can be fastened with a through fixing into the Support Plate and also side face fixed through the wall of the Angle as seen on a Usher Design.
    With a design that incorporates the Shelving to function as part of the stretch skin to offer a much improved structural rigidity, the Shelving material used will be of a limited choice, as it will need to be easily prepared for fastening, and also not perish under the application of a point loading at the fastening points.
    Another point that can be considered is that if a shelve is to be mounted in this manner,
    a isolation material could be used to separate the the Shelve from contacting the metal framing directly, a piece of Acetal sheet of 3-5mm thickness would serve as useful, and can be cut to be sandwiched between the Support Plate and Angles Sides, resulting in the Shelve not coming into contact with the metal structure of the rack.

    If other equipment supporting materials are wished to be used, that will not be a acceptable material to have a point load applied at a fastening location, then this material can be used as a Sub Plinth.
    Make allowances for such assemblies by increasing the dimensions between the spacing for the shelves.
    The allowance of the extra spacing between the Shelves is a practice I can only encourage, as the use of various sub plinth materials and footers to separate the differing materials can attenuate a device to a very much improved performance, so to remove this opportunity to have a ease of implementation on a DIY build will be a lost opportunity.

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    NO droplets from the sky today ( yet ) fingers crossed I may get something done
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