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    Quote Originally Posted by struth View Post
    Consumerism came out after ww2 in the USA. Affluence grew, people started buying houses in suburbia and changing cars every year. Wives filled house with every convenience. Fast food took off. TV took off.
    Then they shipped it over here.
    I'd say it changed with the introduction of easy credit - credit cards. 1970s or thereabouts. Prior to that only the professional middle classes could buy luxury goods to impress their friends. By the mid 1980s credit cards were ubiquitous so everyone could get in on the act.
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    Yup... And when the Internet arrived, and then smartphones, consumerism became much more widespread, and the brainwashing process (as cited earlier by Adrian) was further accelerated...

    For me, that's a valid example of modern technology making things WORSE, not better. It would also be interesting to see the average UK personal debt figures for say, the 1970s, compared with now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Yup... And when the Internet arrived, and then smartphones, consumerism became much more widespread, and the brainwashing process (as cited earlier by Adrian) was further accelerated...

    For me, that's a valid example of modern technology making things WORSE, not better. It would also be interesting to see the average UK personal debt figures for say, the 1970s, compared with now.

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    I don't think there is a process. Displaying the material goods we have acquired in order to establish our status within a societal group dates back to at least the earliest recorded society. It's an inherent part of how we behave as a species. We don't need to be brainwashed into it. If there is brainwashing it's their attempting to convince us that one brand is better than another for the purpose of establishing status.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    I don't think there is a process. Displaying the material goods we have acquired in order to establish our status within a societal group dates back to at least the earliest recorded society. It's an inherent part of how we behave as a species. We don't need to be brainwashed into it. If there is brainwashing it's their attempting to convince us that one brand is better than another for the purpose of establishing status.
    Sorry Martin, but I do not think that is the whole picture. Where I work very subtle techniques or not so subtle, depending on how perceptive you are, are used to enforce the belief that the product is a must have as it will improve your life and life experience, and that not having one will mean you have made a poor choice, that will be viewed by others as such. It is very clever in how it is done and extremely effective, many different businesses use these methods to build brands and loyalty.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    I don't think there is a process. Displaying the material goods we have acquired in order to establish our status within a societal group dates back to at least the earliest recorded society. It's an inherent part of how we behave as a species. We don't need to be brainwashed into it. If there is brainwashing it's their attempting to convince us that one brand is better than another for the purpose of establishing status.
    Yes, but only for those of a certain mindset, predisposed to such behaviour; some are more resistant to it. Not everyone is wired that way. I'm certainly not, and neither are many others I know.

    If I were that way inclined, I'd own the latest smartphone, rather than an ancient mobile phone from the very early 2000s [what does that say about my "status"? And it's not like I can't afford one], drive a brand new battery-powered car, live in a modern house, fitted with all the latest smart features, organise my life around social media, etc, etc...

    I *actively choose* to do precisely the OPPOSITE from what today is considered as the 'norm' or fashionable, and SHUN current technology unless I know it'll serve a useful purpose, first and foremost, for ME. I remember laughing when Piggurs tried to send a text message to my landline, because he thought it was a mobile number, as according to him, 'no-one uses landlines these days'!

    The condition you refer to, as highlighted above, is not only inherent in humans, but can be further nurtured through subliminal/insidious forms of brainwashing, via the viral marketing campaigns of huge global organisations, such as Apple, Google and Amazon, and for me there is ample evidence showing that technology such as smartphones help facilitate and accelerate that brainwashing process.

    So yes, it's partly about growing the brand, but it's also about who's behind the brand and what they're seeking to achieve/their end goal. The key word above is "viral", like the spreading of a disease (facilitated through social networks). Think about it

    As an aside, what do you reckon would be revealed by the debt figure comparison I mentioned in my last post?

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    "Quote Originally Posted by Joe View Post

    OK, but there's nothing new about people defining themselves through their possessions (and sometimes living beyond their means in their attempts to outdo their neighbours); it's been going on for thousands of years. It's the type of possessions that have changed, rather than the type of behaviour."

    "Consumerism came out after ww2 in the USA. Affluence grew, people started buying houses in suburbia and changing cars every year. Wives filled house with every convenience. Fast food took off. TV took off.
    Then they shipped it over here. "

    "Yes, but it goes deeper than that now, as the brainwashing is far more insidious."

    A major cause was Freud's nephew Edward Bernays who developed the 'discipline' of public relations.
    His stated aims were to get people to buy things on the basis of created 'wants', rather then their needs; they were then controllable.

    He was responsible for the mass adoption of cigarette smoking, and look what that has done. It probably is also being used with food now, as well as many other consumables, and fuels compulsive behaviour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pharos View Post
    A major cause was Freud's nephew Edward Bernays who developed the 'discipline' of public relations.
    His stated aims were to get people to buy things on the basis of created 'wants', rather then their needs; they were then controllable.

    He was responsible for the mass adoption of cigarette smoking, and look what that has done. It probably is also being used with food now, as well as many other consumables, and fuels compulsive behaviour.
    All very true, Dennis, which is why I divorce myself, as far as possible, from being "controllable", achieved through deliberate and very carefully considered lifestyle choices. That's why it pays in some ways to be 'off grid'. Quite simply, I refuse to be a 'brainwashed sheep', one of the downtrodden masses caught up in today's rat race, or a puppet for the Establishment! I've fortunately also always been rather perceptive towards that

    Plus, I've naturally never been prone to obsessive/compulsive behaviour, and as such easily addicted to things. All of that makes me less susceptible to being easily manipulated, brainwashed or controlled. Thing is, often you don't realise how much you've been sucked into that world, until you take a step back and look in the mirror...

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    Bloody 'ell, this place is becoming like PFM.
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    In what way?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    In what way?

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