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Thread: SME 3009R: anything to watch out for when buying s/h?

  1. #11
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    This is what I was told by a German expert on SME arms

    "Dear Peter,

    thanks for the pictures. The tonearm is not original at all. The counterweight and the antiskating weight are copies and not original. I service only tonearm in original condition. The original counterweights are as spares available, but expensive.

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    Is he wrong?
    I'm Peter, Denmark: AD Audio Satchmo 3 Line Stage / Michell Argo HR (faulty) + EAR 516 + Quad ESL 57 + PTP6 Acoustand L75 + Alfred Bokrand Ortofon 10" - Denon 103D + Emerald Phono Stage + Allnic AUT 2000 SUT + Leak Stereofetic FM Tuner + B&O Beocord 6500 Cassette Deck + Synology DS 415+("upgraded" to 8gb memory) cabled to Win10 PC - JRiver - Paul Pang USB-splitter cable - Linear 5v psu - Nuforce U192s - Line Magnetic 502CA DAC

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    I would appreciate if I could be put in contact with someone who knows his way around SME arms.
    I'm Peter, Denmark: AD Audio Satchmo 3 Line Stage / Michell Argo HR (faulty) + EAR 516 + Quad ESL 57 + PTP6 Acoustand L75 + Alfred Bokrand Ortofon 10" - Denon 103D + Emerald Phono Stage + Allnic AUT 2000 SUT + Leak Stereofetic FM Tuner + B&O Beocord 6500 Cassette Deck + Synology DS 415+("upgraded" to 8gb memory) cabled to Win10 PC - JRiver - Paul Pang USB-splitter cable - Linear 5v psu - Nuforce U192s - Line Magnetic 502CA DAC

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    Hi Rosewood,
    Contact Alfred at www.smetonearms.com.
    Formally the Canadian distributor, now does re-builds. Knows a lot about SME and still has factory contacts.

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    Thanks Dan.
    I will comtact him.
    Kind regards,
    Peter

    These parts are not original.

    1) The knife edge
    2) the counter weight stub
    3) the counterweight
    4) the rider weight
    5) the ride weight carrier
    6) the headshell is not original = an Ortofon one - I knew that when I bought it
    7) The bias weight support wire is from an "improved" 3009
    I'm Peter, Denmark: AD Audio Satchmo 3 Line Stage / Michell Argo HR (faulty) + EAR 516 + Quad ESL 57 + PTP6 Acoustand L75 + Alfred Bokrand Ortofon 10" - Denon 103D + Emerald Phono Stage + Allnic AUT 2000 SUT + Leak Stereofetic FM Tuner + B&O Beocord 6500 Cassette Deck + Synology DS 415+("upgraded" to 8gb memory) cabled to Win10 PC - JRiver - Paul Pang USB-splitter cable - Linear 5v psu - Nuforce U192s - Line Magnetic 502CA DAC

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    Have you used it?
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    No. Got it in a trade. Wanted to sell it.
    I'm Peter, Denmark: AD Audio Satchmo 3 Line Stage / Michell Argo HR (faulty) + EAR 516 + Quad ESL 57 + PTP6 Acoustand L75 + Alfred Bokrand Ortofon 10" - Denon 103D + Emerald Phono Stage + Allnic AUT 2000 SUT + Leak Stereofetic FM Tuner + B&O Beocord 6500 Cassette Deck + Synology DS 415+("upgraded" to 8gb memory) cabled to Win10 PC - JRiver - Paul Pang USB-splitter cable - Linear 5v psu - Nuforce U192s - Line Magnetic 502CA DAC

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    Have you contacted the trader to tell him what you have been advised? I didn't realise fake parts existed. It seems that everything of any value is getting faked these days.

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    Here’s a quick snap shot of my end gear on my original 3012R
    For reference.. if it helps
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  10. #20
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    Thanks for the photo. The grub screws are the easiest to tell apart from the original. I may have to take the arm to someone who owns one and make a direct side-by-side comparison.

    Yes I have. He is a private seller and a Dane and he is adamant that everything is original, but contrary to this the evidence is mounting that 6 parts, apart from the headshell that I knew about, are somewhat good copies. Perhaps an earlier owner wanted to use it with a heavier cartridge?

    EDIT: I am in touch with someone who owns an original arm and perhaps I can go for a visit later this week to make a direct comparison.
    I'm Peter, Denmark: AD Audio Satchmo 3 Line Stage / Michell Argo HR (faulty) + EAR 516 + Quad ESL 57 + PTP6 Acoustand L75 + Alfred Bokrand Ortofon 10" - Denon 103D + Emerald Phono Stage + Allnic AUT 2000 SUT + Leak Stereofetic FM Tuner + B&O Beocord 6500 Cassette Deck + Synology DS 415+("upgraded" to 8gb memory) cabled to Win10 PC - JRiver - Paul Pang USB-splitter cable - Linear 5v psu - Nuforce U192s - Line Magnetic 502CA DAC

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