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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikeandvan View Post
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    Yup, we've met. Lovely dog, indeed. Crazy, but lovely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jandl100 View Post

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    Oh, and I mistakenly thought Jerry was a purist, that sought perfection, not a digital wannabe! but then heís got Daleks for speakers
    Tannoys?
    Nope, you are most certainly not morphing into me.

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    And he hates Tannoys if I remember right
    Absolutely right, horrid things.

    But I am happy that you like them, Adrian.

    Tannoys?

    Nope, you are most certainly not morphing into me.

    Absolutely right, horrid things.

    But I am happy that you like them, Adrian.
    Well I am quite surprised and would be interested why you dislike so much, perhaps you would like to offer your opinion on Tannoy's generally?

    I do know that in the past certain models of Tannoy were reported has having a honking sound, presumably at the low end and maybe box colouration due to lack of stiffness, but I could be wrong. The new Legacy line models have revised cabinets built with stiffer materials and with better bracing, and I think improved drivers. All the reviews of the Arden's I have read praise them very highly.

    The Legacy Arden's that I have to my ears produce a very neutral and natural sound, so far anyway. I have been through my usual 20 listening tracks today and have not been disappointed with any. A couple I was quite surprised by are quite heavy in the bass department, St. Germain - Montego Bay Spleen, this has a thundering amount of bass and drum which can easily overtake and drown the whole soundstage but not the case with the Arden's, the other track(s) Also Spracht Zarathustra (Duetsche G. 2530 402) has huge deep bass in various sections and the Arden's just take it in their stride, all very musical and detailed.
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    IIRC it is the honk in the mids that Jerry doesn't like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    IIRC it is the honk in the mids that Jerry doesn't like.
    There is no mid 'honk'. Pepperpot compression driver Tannoys have in common with most speakers utilising horn tweeters, a certain character. It's not necessarily due to a specific resonance, but may be a colouration nonetheless. I tend to like this though.

    The Legacy series drivers do not use the pepperpot compression horn, they have the ceramic magnet tulip waveguide tweeter. This probably due to cost, as the pepperpots are expensive to make.




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    Quote Originally Posted by walpurgis View Post
    There is no mid 'honk'..
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    I don't think so either, it's Jerry you have to convince!
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    Quote Originally Posted by struth View Post
    I've got 2 10 inchers lol. That's nearly 15. Not tannoys tho

    Yup congrats on the speakers. The y look super condition
    I square the diameter of each driver and add them up, but first I subtract an inch off each for the surround. So that's 196 for the Tannoys and 162 for the MBLs. Not far off at about 80%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lawrence001 View Post
    I square the diameter of each driver and add them up, but first I subtract an inch off each for the surround
    Glad to see somebody else taking cone surrounds into account. I always allow half the surround width when working out cone areas. That may not be strictly accurate though, as the whole surround moves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by walpurgis View Post
    There is no mid 'honk'. Pepperpot compression driver Tannoys have in common with most speakers utilising horn tweeters, a certain character. It's not necessarily due to a specific resonance, but may be a colouration nonetheless. I tend to like this though.

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    I agree, really. I don't hear a Tannoy Honk. It's more of a grainy chhh sound (as in Scottish loch) that is overlaid on everything.
    Especially noticeable on orchestral strings, but once I hear it it overlays everything. It really drives me crazy, can't stand it.

    Paul @RFC, I think, understands the root causes and his crossover designs go a fair way to mitigate them. But it's still there and audible to me.

    Nothing's perfect and there are plenty of speaker choices out there, including dalek clones!
    You just have to choose the set of compromises that suit you best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by walpurgis View Post
    Glad to see somebody else taking cone surrounds into account. I always allow half the surround width when working out cone areas. That may not be strictly accurate though, as the whole surround moves.
    i take off one surround if adding two together to make one. guess it would be more accurate to do all 3 still, 2 *10's is not far off a 15... obviously you dont get the same kick etc but the right type of smaller ones will be faster. Of course DC's have also the centre part just to change things again
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    Quote Originally Posted by jandl100 View Post
    I don't hear a Tannoy Honk. It's more of a grainy chhh sound (as in Scottish loch) that is overlaid on everything.

    Paul @RFC, I think, understands the root causes and his crossover designs go a fair way to mitigate them. But it's still there and audible to me.
    I know what you mean Jerry. I did describe to Paul Coupe years ago, that I thought this effect was due to reflections across the horn throat where the sides are near parallel, directly ahead of the phase plug. It seems less on the post HPD ceramic magnet models, where the horn is shorter and sides are more angled, minimising the chance of reflections.
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