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    Last month I bought a Marantz CD6006 (UK) to stand in for my ailing Densen player. I got it as an "open box" item from Richers, with a full guarantee and two tiny scratches on top which I fixed with a black marker pen. for 260.

    I wasn't expecting too much from this player, even though it had some great reviews. After all It's a 300 player replacing one with a new cost of about 1300 quid iirc. But I'm actually loving it, making me revisit my favourite discs, and one or two which were previously a 'difficult' listen. All the detail seems to still be there, but with a smoothness and balance that is really drawing me in. Why would this be?

    Possibilities:

    1. The lowered expectations and relatively low outlay is helping me 'relax into the music' rather than listening to the player.

    2. The Marantz is simply a really good player, and compares favourably with the ageing Densen.

    3. The Marantz has a better synergy with the rest of my stuff, and price be damned.

    4. The Densen's sound quality has worsened over time and it's taken swapping in another player to show this up.

    The first three possibilities I can readily believe, I'm just curious about number four. And whether it would be worth throwing money at getting the Densen fixed. Any views guys?
    Excuse me, are you the Judean People's Front?

    T/T: Inspire Monarch, X200 tonearm, Ortofon 2M Black. Phono: Yaqin MS-22B CD: Densen Beat B400 Plus; Headphone/pre: Myryad Z40; Amp: Audion Silver Night 300b stereo
    Speakers: Zu Omen Def. Atlas Equator interconnects, Atlas Hyper 3.0 speaker cables

    T'other system:
    Echo Dot, Amptastic Mini-1, Celestion 5's, BK XLS-200 DF

    A/V:
    Panasonic 42" plasma, Panasonic Blu Ray, Sony a/v amp, MA Radius speakers, REL Storm sub

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    Could be that components have gone out of spec with age, that might affect sound quality. It's not likely to be the case though. Although you said it was ailing so that implies some sort of fault.
    Current Lash Up:

    *Sony SCD XB790QS* Nelson Pass DCB1 / Krell KSA100 mkII * JM Lab Electra 926 *


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pigmy Pony View Post
    Last month I bought a Marantz CD6006 (UK) to stand in for my ailing Densen player. I got it as an "open box" item from Richers, with a full guarantee and two tiny scratches on top which I fixed with a black marker pen. for 260.

    I wasn't expecting too much from this player, even though it had some great reviews. After all It's a 300 player replacing one with a new cost of about 1300 quid iirc. But I'm actually loving it, making me revisit my favourite discs, and one or two which were previously a 'difficult' listen. All the detail seems to still be there, but with a smoothness and balance that is really drawing me in. Why would this be?

    Possibilities:

    1. The lowered expectations and relatively low outlay is helping me 'relax into the music' rather than listening to the player.

    2. The Marantz is simply a really good player, and compares favourably with the ageing Densen.

    3. The Marantz has a better synergy with the rest of my stuff, and price be damned.

    4. The Densen's sound quality has worsened over time and it's taken swapping in another player to show this up.

    The first three possibilities I can readily believe, I'm just curious about number four. And whether it would be worth throwing money at getting the Densen fixed. Any views guys?
    That's an expensive marker pen!

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    Personally have always found marantz cd players very good sounding, irrespective of price. It may just be sounding different as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    Could be that components have gone out of spec with age, that might affect sound quality. It's not likely to be the case though. Although you said it was ailing so that implies some sort of fault.
    It had been acting up for months, refusing to start, and when it did it would skip or sometimes stop, then start again after a minute or so. Its reluctance to play a disc from beginning to end was doing my head in, and this may have had some effect on perceived sound. Like enjoying a relaxing drive in tre country in a car that may and will break down at any moment.
    Excuse me, are you the Judean People's Front?

    T/T: Inspire Monarch, X200 tonearm, Ortofon 2M Black. Phono: Yaqin MS-22B CD: Densen Beat B400 Plus; Headphone/pre: Myryad Z40; Amp: Audion Silver Night 300b stereo
    Speakers: Zu Omen Def. Atlas Equator interconnects, Atlas Hyper 3.0 speaker cables

    T'other system:
    Echo Dot, Amptastic Mini-1, Celestion 5's, BK XLS-200 DF

    A/V:
    Panasonic 42" plasma, Panasonic Blu Ray, Sony a/v amp, MA Radius speakers, REL Storm sub

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sherwood View Post
    That's an expensive marker pen!
    Bugger! Still, it did come with a free CD player
    Excuse me, are you the Judean People's Front?

    T/T: Inspire Monarch, X200 tonearm, Ortofon 2M Black. Phono: Yaqin MS-22B CD: Densen Beat B400 Plus; Headphone/pre: Myryad Z40; Amp: Audion Silver Night 300b stereo
    Speakers: Zu Omen Def. Atlas Equator interconnects, Atlas Hyper 3.0 speaker cables

    T'other system:
    Echo Dot, Amptastic Mini-1, Celestion 5's, BK XLS-200 DF

    A/V:
    Panasonic 42" plasma, Panasonic Blu Ray, Sony a/v amp, MA Radius speakers, REL Storm sub

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pigmy Pony View Post
    It had been acting up for months, refusing to start, and when it did it would skip or sometimes stop, then start again after a minute or so. Its reluctance to play a disc from beginning to end was doing my head in, and this may have had some effect on perceived sound. Like enjoying a relaxing drive in tre country in a car that may and will break down at any moment.
    Will probably be fixable. But as Keith says the more modern Marantz is going to be pretty good.
    Current Lash Up:

    *Sony SCD XB790QS* Nelson Pass DCB1 / Krell KSA100 mkII * JM Lab Electra 926 *


    'You fool! To think that your ape-brain could contain the full knowledge of the Krell!'

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    Quote Originally Posted by skimminstones View Post
    Personally have always found marantz cd players very good sounding, irrespective of price. It may just be sounding different as well.
    That's a very good point I'll need a bit more playing time to decide whether it's just a honeymoon period. But right now I'm loving the sound, the operation, and its appearance. And it satisfies Mrs. P's "if it ain't black it's cack" stipulation
    Excuse me, are you the Judean People's Front?

    T/T: Inspire Monarch, X200 tonearm, Ortofon 2M Black. Phono: Yaqin MS-22B CD: Densen Beat B400 Plus; Headphone/pre: Myryad Z40; Amp: Audion Silver Night 300b stereo
    Speakers: Zu Omen Def. Atlas Equator interconnects, Atlas Hyper 3.0 speaker cables

    T'other system:
    Echo Dot, Amptastic Mini-1, Celestion 5's, BK XLS-200 DF

    A/V:
    Panasonic 42" plasma, Panasonic Blu Ray, Sony a/v amp, MA Radius speakers, REL Storm sub

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    Will probably be fixable. But as Keith says the more modern Marantz is going to be pretty good.
    I will try to get it fixed at some point, but the only likely repairer is Elite Audio, all the way up there. And when they failed to reply to my email I just sort of gave up.
    Excuse me, are you the Judean People's Front?

    T/T: Inspire Monarch, X200 tonearm, Ortofon 2M Black. Phono: Yaqin MS-22B CD: Densen Beat B400 Plus; Headphone/pre: Myryad Z40; Amp: Audion Silver Night 300b stereo
    Speakers: Zu Omen Def. Atlas Equator interconnects, Atlas Hyper 3.0 speaker cables

    T'other system:
    Echo Dot, Amptastic Mini-1, Celestion 5's, BK XLS-200 DF

    A/V:
    Panasonic 42" plasma, Panasonic Blu Ray, Sony a/v amp, MA Radius speakers, REL Storm sub

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    You seem to be implying the Denson is quite old, if that"s the case then it's probably just that modern design Dac's are better than older chips/designs.

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