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    Default Making an Airport Express better?

    Recently I upgraded the PSU on my 7520, and while that change was an improvement, it also revealed my airport express for the highly jittery digital source that it is. I find it hard to give up the express because the convenience of accessing my entire music library from the iTunes interface which I am very comfortable with is hard to let go of.

    Anyone have suggestions on how to improve upon it in a economical fashion?

    So far I've come across these possibilities:

    1. Get Empirical Audio's Pace car to re-clock the exrpesses output. Sounds very good and there a lots of very positive reviews about it. The device costs $1200. That's a wee bit more than I bargained for.

    2. Replace my 7520 with the Benchmark DAC1 PRE? DAC1 has a well known jitter reduction (immune?) circuitry that would work well with my express. But at $1500, that is way out of my budget.


    One thing I will try for the moment is to get an updated Airport Express. There are 2 Airport express models, and they look identical. The older one is the B/g model (A1084) which I have. The newer one is the N model (A1264). I've perused the web and found that the N model does have a better DAC within; capable of 24/96 as opposed to a maximum of 16/48 in my model. Apple firmware does not enable that capability, however.

    My hunch and hope is that the N model handles jitter better than the B/G model.

    If there are any other suggestions, please do tell.

    Thanks.

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    David

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    I thought this whole jitter nonsense had been put to bed in the last 15 years as modern DACs lock-on to the data stream much better now. Are you sure it's not interference on the wireless network signal?????
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    Quote Originally Posted by DSJR View Post
    I thought this whole jitter nonsense had been put to bed in the last 15 years as modern DACs lock-on to the data stream much better now. Are you sure it's not interference on the wireless network signal?????
    I use the wire

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    David

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    You could always get a jitterbuster second hand somewhere. Theta, Monarchy, Trichord etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trailer View Post
    You could always get a jitterbuster second hand somewhere. Theta, Monarchy, Trichord etc.
    I googled jitterbuster and found this;

    http://www.monarchyaudio.com/DIP4.htm


    Then I noticed that you have an airport and the Monarchy DIP. So, how much of a difference did it make?


    This is very encouraging. They're not that expensive and apparently address my issue exactly.

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    There are two types of Monarchy DIP's. One that upsamples and one that doesn't.

    The DIP basically does, although I may be wrong, the same as what Stan does in the DAC by re-clocking the data so in theory it shouldn't make any difference. Setting the DIP to upsampling mode made more of a difference to the sound giving it more clarity and definition. Again I don't know why. I'll plug it in again and try it now that I have the 7520 supercharged

    I have tried the AppleTV streaming lossless into both DACs and it doesn't sound anywhere near as good as the CD5XS into them.

    It might just be time for a change of source?
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    Quote Originally Posted by trailer View Post
    There are two types of Monarchy DIP's. One that upsamples and one that doesn't.

    The DIP basically does, although I may be wrong, the same as what Stan does in the DAC by re-clocking the data so in theory it shouldn't make any difference. Setting the DIP to upsampling mode made more of a difference to the sound giving it more clarity and definition. Again I don't know why. I'll plug it in again and try it now that I have the 7520 supercharged

    I have tried the AppleTV streaming lossless into both DACs and it doesn't sound anywhere near as good as the CD5XS into them.

    It might just be time for a change of source?
    Were\are you running iTunes on Windows or from a Mac, and did you make sure to set everything for bit perfect output?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Codifus View Post
    Were\are you running iTunes on Windows or from a Mac, and did you make sure to set everything for bit perfect output?
    I've tried streaming through a Windows iTunes, xbmc/boxee installed on the AppleTV and from the HD on the AppleTV itself. Not much difference if any at all that I could determine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trailer View Post
    I've tried streaming through a Windows iTunes, xbmc/boxee installed on the AppleTV and from the HD on the AppleTV itself. Not much difference if any at all that I could determine.
    I'm a little comforted that you said that because iTunes on a Mac runs better. I've run iTunes on my WindowsXP machine and the Mac version always bettered it, even to the same airport express.

    I hear that Itunes, and audio device drivers in general, have improved significantly in Windows Vista and of course, 7.

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    David

    iTunes 7,PowerMac G4 733, Mac OS X 10.4.11, Airport Express, Beresford TC-7520 (Dual LM4562NAs) MLC5/6 clipped, 36K and 100nf cap mod, Behringer EP2000, Cambridge Soundworks Tower II

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    Default Making an Airport Express better?

    Isn't that the beauty of hifi though? If there was one solution wouldn't everyone be using it? I've never ran a mac iTunes into my system so I can't say whether that was better or not from what I have heard.

    I still think at the end of the day you could put the best signal you want into the AE/Atv and it will still come out less than perfect.
    Naim ND5 XS, nDAC, XP5 XS, 202, HC, NAPSC, 250.2, B&W 804s.
    AVR350, B&W HTM4, Gallo.
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