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    Why is seeing any different? Videos can be produced (skewed) to portray a particular bias, and you don't know that wasn't the case with the video in question.

    Anyway, I've made my point. Just be careful not to come across as dismissing someone's valid subjective opinion, just because what they're reporting doesn't fit with your belief system

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Why is seeing any different? Videos can be produced (skewed) to portray a particular bias, and you don't know that wasn't the case with the video in question.

    Anyway, I've made my point. Just be careful not to come across as dismissing someone's valid subjective opinion, just because what they're reporting doesn't fit with your belief system

    Marco.
    Marco this is not a case of belief or subjective opinion, if you want the correct PQ you need to calibrate, of course you can set your controls to what ever you like, but have you ever wonderd why there are conrols for White Balance, Chroma, Gamma etc. They are there for a reason. This is a good guide and one I started with:

    http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=35322

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie View Post
    I linked to an artical on Cnet.

    Here is another:

    https://www.digitaltrends.com/home-t...-worth-buying/
    That's not any sort of controlled study though is it? It's just some bloke saying there is no difference. Anyone can do that.

    This is the sort of thing I was thinking of although it isn't a very good test. http://translate.google.com/translat...0_6175_93.html There doesn't seem to be much in the way of testing on HDMI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    That's not any sort of controlled study though is it? It's just some bloke saying there is no difference. Anyone can do that.
    My point exactly!

    It always makes me yawn when folks post videos of this and that, which supposedly conclusively *proves* this or that, simply because they've been approved by a supposed 'expert', as it does nothing of the sort. Most often it's done simply to ram home someone's entrenched opinion, wrongly presented as 'fact'.

    Quite frankly, I don't care how many 'experts' disagree with my findings or opinions on audio, as ultimately ALL that matters (to me) is what my ears and experience tell me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    That's not any sort of controlled study though is it? It's just some bloke saying there is no difference. Anyone can do that.

    This is the sort of thing I was thinking of although it isn't a very good test. http://translate.google.com/translat...0_6175_93.html There doesn't seem to be much in the way of testing on HDMI.
    For the last time the differences are measurable so yes loads of controled studies, including the links I have posted.

    Another:

    https://www.expertreviews.co.uk/tvs-...s-why/page/0/2

    https://hdguru.com/all-hdmi-cables-a...hey-full-test/

    https://www.techadvisor.co.uk/test-c...ables-3676960/
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    you just dont get it... one man's fact is another's maybe or na!. You are not the only one to calabrate their tv etc, but you will find there are plenty of informed members here who disagree with said opinions like you quote. so leave it there... its only your opinion, not a fact. otherwise folk would just buy the same tvs, blurays, cables etc..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie View Post
    For the last time the differences are measurable so yes loads of controled studies, including the links I have posted.

    Another:

    https://www.expertreviews.co.uk/tvs-...s-why/page/0/2

    https://hdguru.com/all-hdmi-cables-a...hey-full-test/

    https://www.techadvisor.co.uk/test-c...ables-3676960/
    yes I read that one but I was looking for a blind test where someone has to identify what they claim is a better HDMI cable over those supposedly not as good. I couldn't find anything.

    And don't give me this 'for the last time' shit. Either you want to discuss the subject or you don't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by struth View Post
    you just dont get it... one man's fact is another's maybe or na!. You are not the only one to calabrate their tv etc, but you will find there are plenty of informed members here who disagree with said opinions like you quote. so leave it there... its only your opinion, not a fact. otherwise folk would just buy the same tvs, blurays, cables etc..
    Sorry it is a fact and I have produced the evidenc and techniques to show it, but you guys don't seem to be able to grasp that.. This is not audio this is video and in that realm it is quite easy to measure differences in PQ.

    Why would they buy the same TV's etc?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    yes I read that one but I was looking for a blind test where someone has to identify what they claim is a better HDMI cable over those supposedly not as good. I couldn't find anything.

    And don't give me this 'for the last time' shit. Either you want to discuss the subject or you don't.
    I have provided evidence on how easy it is to measure differences in PQ and there are none between HDMI cables due to the nature of the tech, I have provided you with experts in the field who measure TV Pq every day and also work for LG Panasonic Samsung Sony also the inventor of PDP displays Dr Larry F Webber. Provided video to show the differences in PQ from one TV to another once calibrated.

    PS
    All Tv's are not the same HDMI are.

    Blu Ray Players are pretty much the same apart from Samsung & Sony who's players introduce some backdoor processing, again easily measurable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie View Post
    Sorry it is a fact and I have produced the evidenc and techniques to show it, but you guys don't seem to be able to grasp that...
    No you haven't, and it isn't.

    I know what I can hear (and see, in reference to picture quality with 'fancy' HDMI cables, which completely flies in the face of your 'evidence'), and I don't give a toss what the videos you've posted supposedly 'prove'. Therefore, please stop presenting your views as fact, or the thread will be closed, as it currently serves no purpose other than to make you feel better about yourself.

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