HDMI cables are all the same?

[Barry]

If you can see/hear the difference then spend the money, if you can't see/hear the difference then you've saved yourself a packet.

Never seen any point in telling people what they can and can't see and hear...

"Many a true word ...." I'm inclined to agree.

[Alex_UK]

Personally, I have never tried to compare different HDMI leads, though I have only ever spent sensible money on one, employing the "buy cheap, buy twice" principle. If people are seeing differences when "technically" there shouldn't be any I won't argue. If someone can explain categorically how black holes work and how the universe began then I might be prepared to believe that science has the answer to everything, but until then I'll remain open-minded. Placebo effect could easily be the answer, but not the absolute undisputed truth in my view.

[struth]

Lots of differences in hdmi everything quite frankly. It's a minefield. Cables are no different. If it was just 1 0 0 1 etc then pretty much all digital stuff would be the same... And it really ain't.

[Marco]

I was having a discussion on another thread regarding HDMI and why there is no difference between a cable costing say £5 and one costing £1000 as long as you are using the correct spec cable for the system you have (1080p, 4K, 8K). It seem there are those who even now say they can see differences like better colour, clarity etc. This is purely placebo effect and nothing to do with the cable.

In your humble opinion, Barry. Others who hear (and think) differently, based on their experience, are of course entitled to their contrary opinion, regardless of what 'evidence' suggests.

Please remember that AoS is strictly (and staunchly) an 'ears first' subjectivist forum, and so priority will always be given to what folks report they hear ('imagined' or otherwise), over what is measured - and threads that go out of their way to arrogantly pooh-pooh the former, because the latter appears to disprove it (I'm not saying you're doing this here, though) will always be given short shrift, as they invariably end in acrimony.

Therefore, please bear that in mind, and also that this thread will be strictly moderated on that basis. Cheers!

Marco.

[Dr Winston O Boogie]

Have to admit that I'm not really bothered about picture quality as long as I can see what is going on. I use an HDMI I bought years ago second hand and I've never done any comparisons or read up about the technology or any tests that have been done on HDMI. Are there any studies where people have been asked to distinguish between HDMI cables in controlled conditions and failed to do so? If so linking to them would back up your argument, otherwise it is just gainsaying.

I linked to an artical on Cnet.

Here is another:

https://www.digitaltrends.com/home-t...-worth-buying/

[Marco]

You can link to as many articles from 'experts' as you like. It doesn't categorically disprove what people hear.

Marco.

[Dr Winston O Boogie]

In your humble opinion, Barry. Others who hear (and think) differently, based on their experience, are of course entitled to their contrary opinion, regardless of what 'evidence' suggests.

Please remember that AoS is strictly (and staunchly) an 'ears first' subjectivist forum, and so priority will always be given to what folks report they hear ('imagined' or otherwise), over what is measured - and threads that go out of their way to arrogantly pooh-pooh the former, because the latter appears to disprove it (I'm not saying you're doing this here, though) will always be given short shrift, as they invariably end in acrimony.

Therefore, please bear that in mind, and also that this thread will be strictly moderated on that basis. Cheers!

Marco.

Hi Maro, Audio is subjectivist Video is not.

[Dr Winston O Boogie]

You can link to as many articles as you like. It doesn't categorically disprove what people hear.

Marco.

This is about video Marco, Video has standards, unlike audio.

Here is just a very short clip of one of the Shootouts in New York, in front of Samsung, LG. Panasonic, Sony, and the worlds leading expert calibrators ( Kevin Miller, DeWayne Davis, David Mackenzie, joe kane) who are physically able to measure picture quality. I attended the UK version, and was involved in the early NY shootouts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNeJUcYqx64

[Marco]

It still doesn't matter. It's not definitive proof of anything. There is no 'proof' you could post here that would categorically dismiss someone's subjective listening experience.

The fact is, is someone hears differences with HDMI cables, or anything else for that matter in hi-fi, then *to them* those differences are real. End of.

Marco.

[Dr Winston O Boogie]

It still doesn't matter. It's not definitive proof of anything. There is no 'proof' you could post here that would categorically dismiss someone's subjective listening experience.

The fact is, is someone hears differences with HDMI cables, or anything else for that matter in hi-fi, then *to them* those differences are real. End of.

Marco.

Your keep saying hearing, seeing is different mate. PQ can be measured against industry standards that all production companies use (BBC, ITV, Hollywood, and all the rest).