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    Quote Originally Posted by glenann View Post
    Funnily enough I saw that combo with the Audiomods on Pinterest! Looked nice with the AM on it...
    Well thankyou!

    The Audiomods was a nice aesthetic match as the platter rim and arm were both highly polished. Sonically, the Audiomods was a good match for the Denon (304/DL-S1) and AT (33PTG) that I was using at the time. The arm was light enough to allow proper suspension levelling too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glenann View Post
    Could you recommend a phono stage that works well with the Hana, considering it's need for a load greater than 400ohm's.
    It might not be as straightforward as that I'm afraid.

    In my current set up the Hana SL sounds best at 100-125 ohm load rather than the typical 10x formula of >400 ohms. I can put this down partly to the capacitance of the tonearm cables on the Bergmann and also perhaps the way that my MC head amp work and outputs into Valab phono set at 47k.

    So in otherwords the choice of tonearm and associated cable could affect the choice of phono stage. What's your budget btw?

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    Your lovely armboard is cut for a SME. So your options are

    a) get a tonearm which can be mounted on a SME cutout (either directly or with an adapter plate)

    New SME M2-9R - lovely but very expensive now; Hadcock 228 with a Hadcock SME adapter plate; another tonearm with an adapter plate made by Speedy Steve at Magna Audio

    b) source a new armboard in a wood to match your lovely plinth (might be tricky to get a decent match on grain and colour)
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    Quote Originally Posted by topoxforddoc View Post
    Your lovely armboard is cut for a SME. So your options are

    a) get a tonearm which can be mounted on a SME cutout (either directly or with an adapter plate)

    New SME M2-9R - lovely but very expensive now; Hadcock 228 with a Hadcock SME adapter plate; another tonearm with an adapter plate made by Speedy Steve at Magna Audio

    b) source a new armboard in a wood to match your lovely plinth (might be tricky to get a decent match on grain and colour)
    Spot on about the arm board Doc, the 774 will fit on that perfectly and you'll be able to get excellent setup accurately too as it adjusts in every direction.

    Looking at 250 for the arm as a rough guide but it's light enough to not cause any issues and the damping trough can be used if you think it need it. I has the damping rod just scraping the surface and felt it was excellent.

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    I'd second the Mission 774 idea. Great arm at around 250.

    Quote Originally Posted by topoxforddoc View Post
    ... Hadcock 228 with a Hadcock SME adapter plate;
    I've just bought a Hadcock 242 to use with the Sony TTS 8000 and a Decca C4e so I'd be interested in any info on the Hadcock SME adapter plate. It's listed on the British Audio Products site but without a picture, and I know that Hadcock parts are hard to get at the moment. I was thinking of getting a generic Ortofon SME adapter and getting a bush made to step the hole size down from 20 to 16mm, but a ready made solution would be less agro.

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    If it were mine and on a fairly restricted budget a Alphason hr100ms or the xenon mcs lovely tonearms I personally prefer them to the mission 774, and heard one with the hana. I like the zeta too but a bit more tricky to buy a nice one the Mission Mechanic is a lovely arm but rare these days. If I had a bit more then certainly the Sme m9r is a nice tonearm indeed. The Alphason is very enjoyable and if one can find one great value.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vrajbasi View Post
    If it were mine and on a fairly restricted budget a Alphason hr100ms or the xenon mcs lovely tonearms I personally prefer them to the mission 774, and heard one with the hana. I like the zeta too but a bit more tricky to buy a nice one the Mission Mechanic is a lovely arm but rare these days. If I had a bit more then certainly the Sme m9r is a nice tonearm indeed. The Alphason is very enjoyable and if one can find one great value.
    ive owned all those arms except the very rare mechanic,all of them bettered the 774 which ive also owned (3).
    but for value for money you cant beat the 774 at approx 250-400 it much cheaper than 600 upwards the others command if and when one of them comes up for sale.
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    Mission mechanic rare these days easier to find rocking horse @#&
    I use the hana on a ol encounter
    Modded td160 super Thorens ol encounter arm hana sl cart, angle audio studio pro mc virtual battery phono amp with separate psi, Onix pre and mono amps, Onix CD player, Onix BWD and soap tuner. B&W dm2 speakers or super pencil 12 speakers, atlas cables, seperate mains power supply with earth spike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glenann View Post
    I've just become the proud owner of this beauty..



    I recently won a Hana SL in a competition. So now I have a couple of questions that you good people might help me with please? Could you recommend a phono stage that works well with the Hana, considering it's need for a load greater than 400ohm's. I need to keep the price reasonable and I did think of the Mo-Fi Studio Phono. Does anyone have any experience of this stage?
    Also, I have a RB250 on an old Planar 2 that a friend has given me. I'm not sure if the arm is fully ok, as there is some lateral play at the base end of the arm. Therefore, what would you consider? I did think of the Origin Live Onyx, but then I've seen the Audiomods Series 6 arm and the juices are flowing! Anyway, any thoughts would be really appreciated.

    Many thanks
    That sir is fookin gorgeous

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Dixon View Post
    I'd second the Mission 774 idea. Great arm at around 250.


    I've just bought a Hadcock 242 to use with the Sony TTS 8000 and a Decca C4e so I'd be interested in any info on the Hadcock SME adapter plate. It's listed on the British Audio Products site but without a picture, and I know that Hadcock parts are hard to get at the moment. I was thinking of getting a generic Ortofon SME adapter and getting a bush made to step the hole size down from 20 to 16mm, but a ready made solution would be less agro.
    The Hadcock SME plate is a flat metal plate with 4 screw holes for the SME mount along with a 16.25 mm slot cut to mount the Hadcock spindle.

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