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Thread: Musical mm-cart to be used with a Croft Riaa RS?

  1. #21
    Join Date: Jan 2013

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    I have tried many MC and MM cartridges with my Croft 25R+ and without doubt the 2M Black is the best performing cartridge by far. It was way better than most MC cartridges I have tried.

    The Decca Blue cartridge was also no match to the 2M in almost every respect. The high output of the 2M and its vivid "live" sound are truly outstanding with the Croft 25R+ ( This is similar to the RS as it has the same line stage). I know the RIAA RS though has the separate PSU and better phono stage implementation so may sound even better with a 2M Black. Even the live immediate sound of the Decca cannot match the 2M Blacks stunning dynamics and delivery.

    If you do decide to go the 2M Black route maybe try and get a used cartridge and have a Fritz Gyger S stylus fitted by Holistic Audio in Holland. This will give you a very special cartridge indeed which would be very difficult to better with any MC never mind MM cartridge. I am recommending this as a Croft user and from my own personal experience.
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    Actually, I have found a little used 2M black locally at around 2/3 of a new cart. l could use that for a while and then have a new stylus fitted later. Tempting.
    Herron VTSP2A pre / EAR 516 power / Quad ESL 57 (with new bass panels)
    TT: Thorens TD 147 Jubilee/Benz Micro Gullwing SLR/Pass Xono MM clone / Partridge 977 SUT
    Digital: Synology NAS / JRiver on Win 10 PC / Nuforce S192U USB to spdif/ Line Magnetic 502CA DAC

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosewind View Post
    I have a list of excellent choices now thanks to you. If we start with the most expensive ones - and I will include a high output MC cart also - the ones that appeal the most to me are:

    Benz Micro Ebony H (output = 2.5 mV) - mostly because I have a Benz cart now
    Sumiko Amethyst (output = 2.5 mV)
    Shure V15 - which version? + other Shure carts
    Goldring 1042 versions that improve on the original: Reson Reca / Roksan Corus
    Ortofon 2M Black
    Decca carts ... which one and with my Thorens TP16 arm? I am tempted to return to a unipivot arm (Morch UP4, Hadcock), but that is another story.
    Audio Technica 150 + 750 which versions?
    Music Hall Mojo?
    What is your budget Peter?
    Barry

  4. #24
    Join Date: Aug 2013

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    You might also try a Cartridge Man Music Maker. I have a mk2 rebuilt into a mk3 by Len Gregory which I really like, though it’s looks will never impress anyone. Re Decca’s I’m using a C4E at the moment which I love, all the dynamics you expect from a Decca with excellent tone to boot.
    David Whistance

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    Join Date: Aug 2014

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    Budget: a very good question. It depends on whether I am going to sell or trade in my Benz Micro Gullwing. That is why the carts cost from 200£ and up to 1500£.
    Herron VTSP2A pre / EAR 516 power / Quad ESL 57 (with new bass panels)
    TT: Thorens TD 147 Jubilee/Benz Micro Gullwing SLR/Pass Xono MM clone / Partridge 977 SUT
    Digital: Synology NAS / JRiver on Win 10 PC / Nuforce S192U USB to spdif/ Line Magnetic 502CA DAC

  6. #26
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    Keep the Gullwing and buy a nice SUT instead of a MM cart?
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  7. #27
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    There is something about the sound of an MC via an SUT into an MM input. It's my favourite configuration compared to a lot of dedicated MC inputs I've tried.

    The sound seems to have more texture yet more delicacy if that makes sense. Maybe it's having separate gain stages which does this but whatever it is I like it.

    Plus the gulwing is tops.

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    I had a Benz wood sl and decca C4e amongst others but a Shure ultra 500 betters all. High compliance too.
    Sony STR 6055 Denon DP80 Stax UA-70 Shure Ultra 500 in a Martin Bastin body with jico stylus Lii audio crystal 10 tqwt speakers

    Office system, DIY CSS fullrange speakers with aurum cantus G2 ribbons Najda dsp as dac Akai AM-U02 Jvc QL-A51 direct drive turntable
    SAE1000LT leema sub. JVC Z4S cart is in the house

    Garage system another Sony receiver, cassette deck and Zu omen for sale


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  9. #29
    Join Date: Feb 2010

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    I'm a long time fan and user of the Music Maker mk3 cart. It works very well with my Spacedeck and Croft RIAA RS. This spring I also got my RS upgraded by Croft with Rike caps.
    Here, quite many months after, I still find it a very good upgrade (cleaner signal, more transparent sound in the lower mids that reveals a little more detail and improves transients and soundstage).



    Lars.

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    + 1 on the Music Maker
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