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Thread: Croft - why 2 volume controls?

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    Considering the Croft micro 25, but put off by the fact you have to turn both left and channel volumes, what on earth is the point of this feature? Baffled.
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    I think when ordering you can ask him for a stereo pot and a balance control, he does it for sonic reasons I believe, but personally I'm with you double mono is a royal pain in the bahookey.
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    Quote Originally Posted by montesquieu View Post
    I think when ordering you can ask him for a stereo pot and a balance control, he does it for sonic reasons I believe, but personally I'm with you double mono is a royal pain in the bahookey.
    As if not having a remote wasn't bad enough!
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    As a loyal Croft user I may start a thread 'other amps, why only one volume control ?'

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    It gives better channel separation, less crosstalk. In theory at least.

    Also lets you adjust balance without having a balance control knob in circuit too.

    I've had a few amps with L and R volume controls including a Croft, never found it to be any bother at all.
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    It is also a lot cheaper to fit two mono pots as they don't have to have matched tracks like a stereo pot.

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    It's just a preference, not an issue. I've used amps with two volume controls and not been bothered by it.
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    Never been an issue, I like the fact you can balance the sound in your room depending on where you sit.

    If it's an issue don't buy. I really cannot see any problem with them unless you only want the effort of turning one knob rather than two!?
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    First time I'd ever seen it, puzzled me. I've never used balance or tone controls for that matter. Does seem like a pita tbh, puts me off, but consensus seems its an excellent partner for a Quad power amp. Isn't there someone who can add remote control for Croft amps?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikeandvan View Post
    First time I'd ever seen it, puzzled me. I've never used balance or tone controls for that matter. Does seem like a pita tbh, puts me off, but consensus seems its an excellent partner for a Quad power amp. Isn't there someone who can add remote control for Croft amps?
    I used the Croft Micro with a Quad 405 Mk2 and 606 power amp with great results. In fact I ran this set up for years. The only one downside is you may find the gain a little high. Never troubled me but some folk are sensitive to it.
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