Danny Baker; what the heck ???

[Marco]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it is an impossibility and the law of averages says there were/are at least some kiddie fiddlers in the 'Establishment', if not necessarily in the present Royal Family. And I'm sure they have used their position to get away with it.

But you can't go about bandying accusations about specific individuals without hard evidence. 'I know someone who said it was true so it must be true'. Not good enough. What if it was a friend or relative of yours being accused like that? No evidence just a load of shit on the internet. You'd be very unhappy and rightly so.


Plus once you develop a culture in society where witch hunts become acceptable, no longer any need for proof, any one of us can be called out at any time as a kiddie fiddler, an especially handy tool to discredit and get rid of an opponent in business, sport, politics, you name it. You'll recall that in 'Blakes Seven' the Federation (AKA 'The Establishment') does exactly that to discredit Blake in the eyes of his followers and so disband his rebellion.

We'll continue this discussion next time we hook up

It's just that discussing the 'RF', for many different reasons, not only those I've mentioned, makes my blood boil... I'll reiterate however, that Diana's offspring are a completely different species - and for good reason!

Marco.

[Pigmy Pony]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it is an impossibility and the law of averages says there were/are at least some kiddie fiddlers in the 'Establishment', if not necessarily in the present Royal Family. And I'm sure they have used their position to get away with it.


But you can't go about bandying accusations about specific individuals without hard evidence. 'I know someone who said it was true so it must be true'. Not good enough. What if it was a friend or relative of yours being accused like that? No evidence just a load of shit on the internet. You'd be very unhappy and rightly so.


Plus once you develop a culture in society where witch hunts become acceptable, no longer any need for proof, any one of us can be called out at any time as a kiddie fiddler, an especially handy tool to discredit and get rid of an opponent in business, sport, politics, you name it. You'll recall that in 'Blakes Seven' the Federation (AKA 'The Establishment') does exactly that to discredit Blake in the eyes of his followers and so disband his rebellion.

But the Federation failed to prove that Blake was in any way responsible for the wobbly scenery.

[Gaz]

Most of us here are anti-royal!

A shitty, pointless, outdated institution, riddled with paedos, which should be immediately disbanded and all assets sold to end world poverty.

Marco.

20 years ago I would have wholeheartedly agreed with you, however nowadays the Royal family are probably the only traditional English institution that hasn't been ruined by PC lefties. It seems that in the current climate any form of patriotism or national pride is interpreted as racism so I'm now willing to get behind what is possibly the last remaining bastion of Englishness there is.

[Gaz]

The imagery he used was racist, simple as that. His motivations are only known to him. The BBC did the right thing.

However there is history of bad behaviour being forgiven (forgotten) in the past, so no doubt they will let him back.

So an image of a chimpanzee is racist?

God help David Attenborough

[Marco]

Fair enough, Gary, and in some ways I agree with your sentiments, but as my ethnicity is Italian and my nationality Scottish, I have zero interest in any "bastions of Englishness"!

That's Macca's bag

Marco.

[Gaz]

Fair enough, Gary, but as my ethnicity is Italian and my nationality Scottish, I have zero interest in any "bastions of Englishness"!

That's Macca's bag

Marco.

And luckily for you you're allowed to be proud to be both and display the Saltire without fear of being branded a racist football hooligan by the PC brigade, sadly we don't have that luxury

[Silent]

I'm never offended by these stories and never really care much but always wonder how people can be stupid enough to post stuff like that and think people will be ok with it...what an idiot

[Marco]

And luckily for you you're allowed to be proud to be both and display the Saltire without fear of being branded a racist football hooligan by the PC brigade, sadly we don't have that luxury

Yeah, I totally get where you're coming from. TBH though, I'm not much of a flag-waver, for anything, so don't really believe in 'advertising' my roots/beliefs, which is why you'll never see any Italian (or Scottish) flags, stickers, t-shirts, scarves, hats or anything else near me, my home or my car.

I don't even wear my team's colours when going to watch a football match, just not my 'thing'. I prefer keeping whom or what I 'support', or where I come from, private

Marco.

[Gaz]

I'm never offended by these stories and never really care much but always wonder how people can be stupid enough to post stuff like that and think people will be ok with it...what an idiot

Is anybody genuinely offended by this sort of thing or is it the work of those who actively seek out things to try to interpret as offensive?

This sums it up very well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9_bI789Gog

[Silent]

Is anybody genuinely offended by this sort of thing or is it the work of those who actively seek out things to try to interpret as offensive?

This sums it up very well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9_bI789Gog

Honestly it's impossible to tell. Most are just virtue signalling I imagine but who knows