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    Join Date: Feb 2011

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    Iv just recently installed a new (to me) young dac into my system, and blimey it's a bit good sounding!

    As a step up from the Arcam rdac I had been using its a huge enormous leap up in terms of detail. I really am hearing things iv never heard before and most of all to me it just sounds good. I mean "just play one more song and then another and another" good

    Iv yet to even try it with its dedicated power supply so maybe I will be smiling even more soon.
    Technics SL1210 with
    SME IV Arm & AT OC9XML,
    Firebottle modded Tron Convergence Phono Stage,
    Bluesound Node 2i, Technics SL DZ 1200 CD
    Denon PMA1700ne amp
    Yamaha NS1000M Speakers.

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    Yup, it's a good-un.
    Been enjoying one with linear psu for a few years now and I think I'd need to spend significant wonga to get something noticeably better.
    Asked about this a few months back actually here on AOS.

    Good upgrade with a linear power supply, it loses that last bit of upper treble zing and there's also a cap mod (simple swap) I'd strongly recommend which opens the dac right up even more.
    Last edited by Gazjam; 11-08-2015 at 07:09.
    AC POWER
    Hardwired 10kVA balanced mains powering entire system
    AMPS
    Meridian 557 power Amp (Modded) / PS Audio BHK Preamp (Modded)
    SPEAKERS
    Wharfedale Evo 4.4
    DAC
    PS Audio Directstream (Modded)
    TURNTABLE
    Pro-Ject X8 balanced output via XLR / Ortofon Quintet Blue cartridge
    PHONOSTAGE
    Pro-Ject DS3 B balanced Input (TT and Phonostage powered by Pro-Ject Power box RS2 linear psu)
    DIGITAL
    OPPO 203 (Modded: Linear PSU, i2s output to Dac) - Roon Endpoint, HDMI input used for all things Streaming/ PS5 /AppleTV ... also good for movies apparently?
    MUSIC PLAYBACK
    Tweaked AP-Linux based Roon Server into Oppo 203 as Roon endpoint
    Ipad Roon Remote.
    Apple Music/ YouTube via AppleTV, fed to Dac via Oppo HDMI input/i2s output to Dac.
    SPEAKER CABLES
    Biwired: Duelund DCA10GA (Bass) Duelund DCA16GA (mid & treble) Duelund 12DCA used as jumpers (On
    "Blackcat Cable" Chris Sommivigo's advice - yup, even with biwire it sounds better - and it does)
    INTERCONNECTS
    All Balanced: Ghost+ recording studio XLR cables

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gazjam View Post
    Yup, it's a good-un.
    Been enjoying one with linear psu for a few years now and I think I'd need to spend significant wonga to get something noticeably better.
    Asked about this a few months back actually here on AOS.

    Good upgrade with a linear power supply, it loses that last bit of upper treble zing and there's also a cap mod (simple swap) I'd strongly recommend which opens the dac right up even more.
    Agreed. What's the cap mod and how do you do it please?

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    Id be interested in knowing what the cap mod works consisted of as well pls Gaz.

    Iv now had the dedicated power supply up and running but as usual have not had enough time to really give it a proper listen due to being away all weekend but will report back on it in due course 9might even try a little A & B comparison)

    cheers

    Ben
    Technics SL1210 with
    SME IV Arm & AT OC9XML,
    Firebottle modded Tron Convergence Phono Stage,
    Bluesound Node 2i, Technics SL DZ 1200 CD
    Denon PMA1700ne amp
    Yamaha NS1000M Speakers.

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    Sorry guys been off forum for a wee bit, post details tomorrow.
    AC POWER
    Hardwired 10kVA balanced mains powering entire system
    AMPS
    Meridian 557 power Amp (Modded) / PS Audio BHK Preamp (Modded)
    SPEAKERS
    Wharfedale Evo 4.4
    DAC
    PS Audio Directstream (Modded)
    TURNTABLE
    Pro-Ject X8 balanced output via XLR / Ortofon Quintet Blue cartridge
    PHONOSTAGE
    Pro-Ject DS3 B balanced Input (TT and Phonostage powered by Pro-Ject Power box RS2 linear psu)
    DIGITAL
    OPPO 203 (Modded: Linear PSU, i2s output to Dac) - Roon Endpoint, HDMI input used for all things Streaming/ PS5 /AppleTV ... also good for movies apparently?
    MUSIC PLAYBACK
    Tweaked AP-Linux based Roon Server into Oppo 203 as Roon endpoint
    Ipad Roon Remote.
    Apple Music/ YouTube via AppleTV, fed to Dac via Oppo HDMI input/i2s output to Dac.
    SPEAKER CABLES
    Biwired: Duelund DCA10GA (Bass) Duelund DCA16GA (mid & treble) Duelund 12DCA used as jumpers (On
    "Blackcat Cable" Chris Sommivigo's advice - yup, even with biwire it sounds better - and it does)
    INTERCONNECTS
    All Balanced: Ghost+ recording studio XLR cables

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    Hi Gaz,

    Any more details on the cap mod yet? What does it involve, is it a noticeable jump in performance and how easy is it to do?

    cheers,


    Ben
    Technics SL1210 with
    SME IV Arm & AT OC9XML,
    Firebottle modded Tron Convergence Phono Stage,
    Bluesound Node 2i, Technics SL DZ 1200 CD
    Denon PMA1700ne amp
    Yamaha NS1000M Speakers.

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    Sorry for the delay getting back to y'all.

    There's a big electrolytic capacitor doing decoupling duties on the input of the power supply just some Chinese junk capacitor.
    Replace that with a lower impedance cap (I used the Panasonic FM 1000uf 25v cap recce'd by Simon SQ who designed my linear PSU for the Young) and the improvement was great.
    Basically the new cap provides a more open window to everything really.
    Like taking a stranglehold away..the dac flows better.
    Well worth the work..and it is work, as the Young board is all surface mount.
    Get someone whos an electronics wizz to do the work if you dont have the proper kit.

    But yeah, swapping out the much lower impedance cap really boosts the performance of the Young.

    LOCATION OF CAP
    Last edited by Gazjam; 30-08-2015 at 14:39.
    AC POWER
    Hardwired 10kVA balanced mains powering entire system
    AMPS
    Meridian 557 power Amp (Modded) / PS Audio BHK Preamp (Modded)
    SPEAKERS
    Wharfedale Evo 4.4
    DAC
    PS Audio Directstream (Modded)
    TURNTABLE
    Pro-Ject X8 balanced output via XLR / Ortofon Quintet Blue cartridge
    PHONOSTAGE
    Pro-Ject DS3 B balanced Input (TT and Phonostage powered by Pro-Ject Power box RS2 linear psu)
    DIGITAL
    OPPO 203 (Modded: Linear PSU, i2s output to Dac) - Roon Endpoint, HDMI input used for all things Streaming/ PS5 /AppleTV ... also good for movies apparently?
    MUSIC PLAYBACK
    Tweaked AP-Linux based Roon Server into Oppo 203 as Roon endpoint
    Ipad Roon Remote.
    Apple Music/ YouTube via AppleTV, fed to Dac via Oppo HDMI input/i2s output to Dac.
    SPEAKER CABLES
    Biwired: Duelund DCA10GA (Bass) Duelund DCA16GA (mid & treble) Duelund 12DCA used as jumpers (On
    "Blackcat Cable" Chris Sommivigo's advice - yup, even with biwire it sounds better - and it does)
    INTERCONNECTS
    All Balanced: Ghost+ recording studio XLR cables

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    Thanks for that Gaz... if these are the same capacitors here, I'll order them and am happy to post one out to other Young DAC owners who wish to try the upgrade... PM me if anybody is interested
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    The Fm or FC ones are the best to use, don't forget they are tall so you'll need to bend the legs to fit them. Also the tracks are pretty light so it's one for experienced soldereds only. Youll likely end up soldering the new cap to the board, rather than through it.

    If you want a good simple psu for it ask Les at Avondale, he can build you a cracker with a TPR regulator set for 16v-18v. The limit for voltage on the input is the switching reg just after the cap you'll swap.
    Kuzma Stabi/S 12", (LP12-bastard) DC motor and optical tacho psu, Benz LP, Paradise (phonostage). MB-Pro, Brooklyn dac and psu, Bruno Putzeys balanced pre, mod86p dual mono amps, Yamaha NS1000m

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    Oops double podt
    Kuzma Stabi/S 12", (LP12-bastard) DC motor and optical tacho psu, Benz LP, Paradise (phonostage). MB-Pro, Brooklyn dac and psu, Bruno Putzeys balanced pre, mod86p dual mono amps, Yamaha NS1000m

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