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No, it is. For a mains voltage motor like on a 401, it is essentially a mains regenerator, but it also allows you to make small frequency adjustments to trim the speed, and larger frequency changes to change speed electronically rather than mechanically on the deck. In addition it's generally 'sized' to drive a turntable rather than, say, a power amplifier.Originally Posted by Mikeandvan
A TT supply for a DC motor (eg LP12 etc) is a completely different thing.
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No problems, glad to help. It's a big learning curve, the more you read the more you can get confused.Just keep asking away and people on here usually have an answer for you.
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OK one last question! So, plugging your TT into a mains regenerator - for multiple use, so you plug your amps and stuff in there as well, this is the same as plugging your TT into a dedicated TT power supply?
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mains regen will give you a constant voltage and a constant hz cycle. both help tt's if the use the mains cycle to keep time. Ac motors. most are 230v 50hz and are handy , but if your mains is good then you probably wont notice any difference.
Excellent for pcs as they have a battery fall back and your work hopefully can be saved before it runs out, and mains can be switched on again. Also great for Chinese stuff that uses 220v stuff, as its only 10v up, so wont damage them.
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I'm Andrew.
You can plug your WHOLE system into one of them. Your TT gets it dedicated power supply from its motor which is supplied via the electricity into your house via the National Grid, this can then be conditioned or regenerated via an appropriate piece of equipment.
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Yes I realise you can plug your whole system into a regenerator, TT included. So doesn't make TT power supplies entirely redundant?
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No it's not redundant it's still very much needed. You theoretically get even more performance by putting the extrinsic TT PSU into the regenerator and it's the purified power supply to the extrinsic TT PSU that's supposed to give improved performance.
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edited to avoid possible confusion.
I ran my 401 off a power inspired 1500ag regenerator for years and the LDA quartz generator is better. Presentation is more open and less busy while losing none of the pace. For sure, the 1500ag provides 80% of the improvement and solves the constant speed drift which is a real weakness of the early 401 motor on 21st century mains.
But in a resolving system, the LDA is noticeably better. Compared to the 1500ag intended for more general office equipment usage, the design of the LDA is optimised for the 401 so it is perhaps not a surprise it does the job very well.
I cheat a bit and run.my low consumption ss phono stage amp from the LDA too as it confers a benefit. But that's about it, it is not as flexible as the power inspired.
However I would advise against running your amp or power amp from a mains regenerator (unless it has serious muscle). Every time I have tried it sounds flat and robbed of energy. Maybe on yawnsville audiophile music such as Patricia barber it will sound a bit cleaner but up the tempo and you will wonder where the pace has gone.
Btw, I wouldnt assume it was OK to run a TT generator from another generator. It is also very wasteful of power!
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No! Simply not true, have you tried a PS10?
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