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    A number of cable manufacturers offer speaker cables of varying diameters, is there a rule of thumb when choosing which thickness?

    Is it like something else...the thicker the better?......Ooh er missis!

    I had read that thinner is better for upper frequency definition, is that factual?

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    try this
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    In a nutshell you can go too thin but you can't go too thick. As far as I know there is no research that suggests that thinner is better than thicker for high frequencies.


    However if you go too thin you might lose some bass which would then highlight the higher frequencies more which might lead to the impression that thin is better for HF.
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    I really find this cable thing hard to understand , ALL cables , Lets take speaker cables , Have you ever looked inside a amp ? and seen how thin / tiny the wires are that go onto the RCA speaker outlets , Then put a masive cable the other side

    As said I just dont get it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Audio Al View Post
    I really find this cable thing hard to understand , ALL cables , Lets take speaker cables , Have you ever looked inside a amp ? and seen how thin / tiny the wires are that go onto the RCA speaker outlets , Then put a masive cable the other side

    As said I just dont get it
    Thicker cables produce less resistance on long runs thus you get less of a drop off
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    Quote Originally Posted by struth View Post
    Thicker cables produce less resistance on long runs thus you get less of a drop off
    How do you overcome the thin wire inside the amp ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Audio Al View Post
    How do you overcome the thin wire inside the amp ?
    It's very short.. As is a fuse wire
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    Quote Originally Posted by Audio Al View Post
    I really find this cable thing hard to understand , ALL cables , Lets take speaker cables , Have you ever looked inside a amp ? and seen how thin / tiny the wires are that go onto the RCA speaker outlets , Then put a masive cable the other side

    As said I just dont get it
    Similar to how we believe that a mains cable and or a mains block from aftermarket sources can clean Up dirty mains after miles of shitty cable in the system before it reaches your house.
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    Quote Originally Posted by icehockeyboy View Post
    Similar to how we believe that a mains cable and or a mains block from aftermarket sources can clean Up dirty mains after miles of shitty cable in the system before it reaches your house.
    Oh yes
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    At high frequencies, any wire thicker than 1.0mm in diameter is largely wasted. (At 10kHz, the current density in a copper wire 1.0mm in diameter, is 97% compared with that at the edges. This is the 'skin' effect.)

    However to maintain a decent damping factor ( control of the back EMF of the speaker), the loop resistance of the speaker cable should be no more than 5% of the nominal speaker impedance. So you do the maths - like mosts things in audio, it's all a bit of a compromise.
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