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    ...then I don't think I'm a big fan of listening to master tapes. Vinyl (decently produced vinyl, that is) definitely sounds different than CD playback. And being the one who prefers the way good vinyl sounds, I'd be reluctant to invest in tape playback system.
    Maybe I'm wrong? Maybe master tapes sounds nothing like CDs? I don't have enough first hand listening experience to make a definitive conclusion.

    So how different does good vinyl sound when compared to the master tape used for producing the stamper?
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    Proper tape playback from master tapes is astonishing I heard Stewarts Studer on several occasion ( RIP Stew )
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    I would expect that the vinyl's lower frequencies would not be as deep, in order to keep the stylus in the groove. And being further along the production chain, the vinyl would I suppose have something added and something taken away, bit like taking a photograph of a copy of a photo. Whether this would make the sound more 'listenable' is down to personal taste.
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    Have you ever thought, that a master is made with what it's going to be recorded on in mind, in the same way old black and white movies had the actors wearing wierd shades of makeup so it looked natural when the recording was viewed, so a master is made so that when it's pressed into vinyl it sounds right


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    On a modern recording, surely there aren't two masters made (one for vinyl and one for digital)? So any changes would be further along the chain, wouldn't they? Feel free to shoot me down, it's been a hard day and my brain's a bit worn out
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pigmy Pony View Post
    On a modern recording, surely there aren't two masters made (one for vinyl and one for digital)? So any changes would be further along the chain, wouldn't they? Feel free to shoot me down, it's been a hard day and my brain's a bit worn out
    I think you will find there are two mixes form the original master, one used for vinyl and another for digital, in fact there may be multiple mixes done for digital for different compression, MP3 levels, cd, Flac etc. The vinyl may come from the original master but not guaranteed.
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    If you want R2R solidity and timing, the best format is File based.

    Sorry, but CDs sound better when ripped to a lossless format and replayed via a streaming device/DAC of sufficient quality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Audio Al View Post
    Proper tape playback from master tapes is astonishing I heard Stewarts Studer on several occasion ( RIP Stew )
    Were they master tapes or safety copies, or copies of copies .... ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jac Hawk View Post
    Have you ever thought, that a master is made with what it's going to be recorded on in mind, in the same way old black and white movies had the actors wearing wierd shades of makeup so it looked natural when the recording was viewed, so a master is made so that when it's pressed into vinyl it sounds right
    Sort of similar to how one might prepare lithograph for printing? If an art admirer likes the printed graphics, and now wants to take it one step further and is asking to be shown how does the art look on the stone that the artist prepared for printing? Well, the graphic on paper is the end product, that's how the artists intended to deliver it (for sale or otherwise).

    To my mind, vinyl record is the final product; everything upstream from it is a string of just half-baked preparatory stages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AJSki2fly View Post
    I think you will find there are two mixes form the original master, one used for vinyl and another for digital, in fact there may be multiple mixes done for digital for different compression, MP3 levels, cd, Flac etc. The vinyl may come from the original master but not guaranteed.
    Hey, look at that, I was half right! Well maybe a third.
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