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    Quote Originally Posted by RobbieGong View Post
    Have had a good number of the upper end 'modern era' Ortofons and never found them 'shiny' in my set up, 2M Black, Quintet Black, Cadenza Black.
    Ok then, Ortofon fanboy.... Sure Rob, but it's all relative. Fit a vintage SPU (or a modern one, whose sound has remained as faithful as possible to that of the originals) in your set-up, and *in comparison*, you might get what I mean by "shiny"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Yes, but you also raved about a 103, some years ago in an issue of HFW, when fitted to the high-mass stock arm of an Empire T/T, or have you forgotten?

    Compare *that sound* you heard, particularly the bass end of things, with the intrinsic sonic presentation of an A90, and you should get what I like to hear from a cartridge, and indeed vinyl replay.

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    No I havenít forgotten the Empire and as I said, the 103 sounded even better in the stock arm on a Yamaha GT-2000

    Itís just this still, for me, falls a little short of the presentation of one of Ortofonís flagship modern cartridges like the A90. I personally think cartridges are one of the areas in hi-fi where modern really is better, hence why the cartridges I have are mostly modern designs.
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    Fair enough, then that's something we'll have to fundamentally disagree on. Although, if it's vintage, it has to be GOOD vintage. It's not just good 'cos it's old, and vice versa!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beobloke View Post
    No I haven’t forgotten the Empire and as I said, the 103 sounded even better in the stock arm on a Yamaha GT-2000

    It’s just this still, for me, falls a little short of the presentation of one of Ortofon’s flagship modern cartridges like the A90. I personally think cartridges are one of the areas in hi-fi where modern really is better, hence why the cartridges I have are mostly modern designs.
    Even for someone like myself that likes that full bodied, SPU-inspired, low compliance type of cartridge, for all their charms I have to admit that unless you are deliberately trying to evoke the atmosphere of a bygone era, the original SPUs can be bettered, either by newer rivals who have taken its 1950s principles and moved them forward (Miyajima is a classic case but also the AN Io fits into this category), or indeed by developments from Ortofon themselves as seen in the SPU 95th anniversary and SPU Century, and arguably somewhat earlier with the Royal and Royal N, Silver Meister and Spirit.

    You need a heavy arm to play them though and while I enjoy other non-SPU Ortofons not least the Kontrapunkt range (I've owned Jubilee and Cadenza and rate both with the right SUT) they can come across slightly bloodless/a bit 'hifi' in a direct comparison. I haven't heard the A90 or A95, perhaps they chart a middle way but I'd be prepared to bet on them going in the opposite direction.
    Main: Speakers 'RFC' Tannoy Canterburys / custom crossovers with Tannoy ST50 supertweeters; Amp - Silvercore 833C monoblocks; preamp TBA watch this space; Vinyl: Schopper'd Thorens TD124 MkII + Ikeda IT345-CR1 9 inch and Ikeda IT-407 12 inch tonearms; Cartridges Stereo - Miyajima Madake, Miyajima Takumi, Ikeda 9TT, vintage Ortofon SPU GM and SPU Gold; Mono - Miyajimas - Zero 0.7, Premium 1.0, Miyajima/Edison '78' 4.0 conical, and Shure M44 strapped for mono with several Expert Stylus conicals for different eras of 78s; Phono stage Allnic H7000V used with Miyajima ETR-Mono and ETR-Stereo SUTs; Digital: Audio Note CDT2/II transport, heavily enhanced AN DAC based on kit but aspiring to DAC5 spec.

    Study: Speakers - Tannoy DC6; Amp: Marantz PM-4; Digital: CDP Sony CDP-X3000ES & Arcam rBlink; Vinyl: Garrard 401 with AT 1503 MkI broadcast arm, Ortofon SPU Classic GM, Ortofon 2-15k SUT and Puresound Tenuto platter mat

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobbieGong View Post
    Tom, whilst likely still SPU in character overall, there are quite a number of them.

    How do the ones you've tried differ ?

    Do you have a personal fave and if so why
    Any chance of your thoughts Tom ? If not, no probs it's not important
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobbieGong View Post
    Any chance of your thoughts Tom ? If not, no probs it's not important
    Apologies, forgot to answer this one. My favorite (which I've owned three times now) is probably the Royal N (non-SPU headshell version of the SPU Royal). Like all SPUs it needs the right (very heavy) arm - heavy enough to keep things under control and keep the music flowing. Most medium mass arms won't cut it. The Replicant 100 (Geiger S) stylus and slightly unusual impedance - 6 ohm, compared to 2-3 ohm for a lot of classic SPUs, no doubt as a result of the gold coils - give it a bit of a different flavour and there's no doubt it's harder to set up than any other SPU I'm aware of and also a bit different to the norm in terms of head amp or SUT settings as well. You can't just slap it in. But I love its combination of lushness and detail. Being free of the usual Ortofon headshell you also have the option of different mounting methods and this can make a difference too.

    I'm also a fan of the ellipticals, be they vintage GE or some of the modern ones. The ultimate example I've heard of this is Petrat's titanium SPU 95. For me this is the classic SPU sound.

    Having said that the sphericals can be fun too, even the very cheap SPU #1S is very bold, bouncy and 'right' sounding (if less detailed than the ellipticals) I'm looking forward to hearing the SPU Wood which is a rather special spherical in an A (rather than G) type headshell, with an urushi lacquer finish.
    Main: Speakers 'RFC' Tannoy Canterburys / custom crossovers with Tannoy ST50 supertweeters; Amp - Silvercore 833C monoblocks; preamp TBA watch this space; Vinyl: Schopper'd Thorens TD124 MkII + Ikeda IT345-CR1 9 inch and Ikeda IT-407 12 inch tonearms; Cartridges Stereo - Miyajima Madake, Miyajima Takumi, Ikeda 9TT, vintage Ortofon SPU GM and SPU Gold; Mono - Miyajimas - Zero 0.7, Premium 1.0, Miyajima/Edison '78' 4.0 conical, and Shure M44 strapped for mono with several Expert Stylus conicals for different eras of 78s; Phono stage Allnic H7000V used with Miyajima ETR-Mono and ETR-Stereo SUTs; Digital: Audio Note CDT2/II transport, heavily enhanced AN DAC based on kit but aspiring to DAC5 spec.

    Study: Speakers - Tannoy DC6; Amp: Marantz PM-4; Digital: CDP Sony CDP-X3000ES & Arcam rBlink; Vinyl: Garrard 401 with AT 1503 MkI broadcast arm, Ortofon SPU Classic GM, Ortofon 2-15k SUT and Puresound Tenuto platter mat

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    Quote Originally Posted by montesquieu View Post
    Apologies, forgot to answer this one. My favorite (which I've owned three times now) is probably the Royal N (non-SPU headshell version of the SPU Royal). Like all SPUs it needs the right (very heavy) arm - heavy enough to keep things under control and keep the music flowing. Most medium mass arms won't cut it. The Replicant 100 (Geiger S) stylus and slightly unusual impedance - 6 ohm, compared to 2-3 ohm for a lot of classic SPUs, no doubt as a result of the gold coils - give it a bit of a different flavour and there's no doubt it's harder to set up than any other SPU I'm aware of and also a bit different to the norm in terms of head amp or SUT settings as well. You can't just slap it in. But I love its combination of lushness and detail. Being free of the usual Ortofon headshell you also have the option of different mounting methods and this can make a difference too.

    I'm also a fan of the ellipticals, be they vintage GE or some of the modern ones. The ultimate example I've heard of this is Petrat's titanium SPU 95. For me this is the classic SPU sound.

    Having said that the sphericals can be fun too, even the very cheap SPU #1S is very bold, bouncy and 'right' sounding (if less detailed than the ellipticals) I'm looking forward to hearing the SPU Wood which is a rather special spherical in an A (rather than G) type headshell, with an urushi lacquer finish.
    Thanks Tom, much appreciated, especially with my limited knowledge of SPU's
    My System:
    Amplification - Sansui AU-alpha 707 DR
    Turntable - Imminent........
    CDP - Pioneer PD-91
    Speakers - Spendor D7 on Soundcare SuperSpikes
    QED Silver Spiral speaker cable - airloc banana plugs
    Mains - Ultra Pure silver plated un-switched socket, Missing link EPS 500 silver plated plugs with Hi-Fi Tuning gold plated silver ceramic 13 amp fuses

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