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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigman80 View Post
    "Don’t get me wrong I have been (and still am) delighted with the DL-S1 and my Goldbug Brier and my Paradox Pulse DL-103R but TBH moving coils are just too much hassle. I’ve spent days and dollars getting various SUT’s and Headamps to match /partner these and other MC’s endlessly tweaking loading and gain to get the right setup and never really knowing if that sweet spot is the best it can be."

    Just wanted to touch a bit on this part:

    I've spent a shed load of time, cash and effort trying to capture the illusive match between a MC cart and a SUT or HA.

    I just couldn't do it. Not without spending around £1k on a SUT. I have heard good combinations like the Kontrapunkt B and the Ortofon 80se. They work very well.

    For me, there's a better way and that's using a phonostage DESIGNED for the use of MC. Thats what I decided to chase. In the end, we designed our own phonostage and it's worked out really well. I know that's not possible for everyone but there are phonostages out there that may change your opinion on your carts. We used a Jfet to do the gain work. There are others who do this too and with great results.

    Good luck with the Super Gold. I've had three Deccas here, a super gold, a good and a blue, but never really took to them as a permanent solution.

    Again, Can only agree.

    In my case and very simplistically, using the mc phonostage built into the excellent Intergrated amps I've used has seen no faff and brought me no issues with the mc's I've used and that's because they've been designed to do the job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobbieGong View Post
    Again, Can only agree.

    In my case and very simplistically, using the mc phonostage built into the excellent Intergrated amps I've used has seen no faff and brought me no issues with the mc's I've used and that's because they've been designed to do the job.
    A lot of those integrated phonostages are far better than given credit. The one in Angus's AU-DII (I think that's right) is capable of speed and immediacy I've not heard from anything else.

    They knew their stuff!!!

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    In the same vein I suspect that Glenn’s affinity for Deccas likely means his MM phono stages are “Decca friendly” so the Super Gold and my Croft 25RS are a good match.

    I know from personal experience that Deccas can be a PITA in some systems and not to everyone’s liking but when they work they can be magical


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    Quote Originally Posted by worrasf View Post
    Exactly my take. I was spending far too much time angsting than listening


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    I agree. I now use two vintage integrated amps that have quality MC sections. I would just as happily use MM and have done with equally enjoyable results; I am just attached to by Art-1 and haven't heard better.
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    Sansui AU-D11 II

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigman80 View Post
    A lot of those integrated phonostages are far better than given credit. The one in Angus's AU-DII (I think that's right) is capable of speed and immediacy I've not heard from anything else.

    They knew their stuff!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by phonomac View Post
    Sansui AU-D11 II
    That's the one!

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    Also using a Decca (“podded” Blue with a paratrace tip) into a 25rs. Magical stuff. Works brilliantly with Nottingham Analogue arms. Superb with an Ace Space, jaw dropping with an Anna.


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    Yeah, I'm a big fan of Deccas too. Currently using an SC4E on a Mission 774, but I have other Deccas ...

    I always wanted to get that 'live' sound that you get when you go to a gig, and the Decca gets me closest to that.

    I am still chasing the prefect arm for the Decca (to go with my grease 301 that I will one-day finish), but the 774 does OK.

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    I’ve not heard a Decca, they sound interesting, but I do remember Hi-Fi Critic measuring 3rd harmonic distortion of 9% on a Decca cart they tested. They suggested this could be the reason for their distinctive character.

    Glad the OP is enjoying his, I’d love to hear one some day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Dixon View Post
    Yeah, I'm a big fan of Deccas too. Currently using an SC4E on a Mission 774, but I have other Deccas ...

    I always wanted to get that 'live' sound that you get when you go to a gig, and the Decca gets me closest to that.

    I am still chasing the prefect arm for the Decca (to go with my grease 301 that I will one-day finish), but the 774 does OK.
    I believe you can damp the 774 arm effectively which is a must for the Decca which pushes out a lot of raw energy!
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