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    Quote Originally Posted by doodoos View Post
    Still don’t understand how you can comment on stuff you haven’t heard in your own system. ...
    That's a specious argument. If I told you that putting bananas on top of my speakers gave me an extra octave of bass would you try it before telling me it is nonsense?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    That's a specious argument. If I told you that putting bananas on top of my speakers gave me an extra octave of bass would you try it before telling me it is nonsense?
    Just popping to the kitchen to grab the bananas. Hold on - do they need to be £800 bananas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrus View Post
    Just popping to the kitchen to grab the bananas. Hold on - do they need to be £800 bananas?
    I don't think it matters.
    Just keep the bananas away from the speaker driver surrounds, because the bananas will gas off, and cause the surrounds to rot
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratmangler View Post
    ... will gas off, and cause the surrounds to rot
    I have that problem, good job I've got 'stats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    That's a specious argument. If I told you that putting bananas on top of my speakers gave me an extra octave of bass would you try it before telling me it is nonsense?
    So is yours, as it's taking things to extremes!

    The use of a grounding box, in theory, has a credible mechanism for creating some sort of real effect. Putting bananas on top of speakers doesn't.

    The point is, Robin's right. No piece of hi-fi equipment or accessory, the effect of which is remotely credible, should be automatically dismissed as "foo", especially if you have no experience yourself of using it. And if I see anyone here guilty of that behaviour again, it'll be an instant month's ban for those responsible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    So is yours, as it's taking things to extremes!

    The use of a grounding box, in theory, has a credible mechanism for creating some sort of real effect. Putting bananas on top of speakers doesn't.

    The point is, Robin's right. No piece of hi-fi equipment or accessory, the effect of which is remotely credible, should be automatically dismissed as "foo", especially if you have no experience yourself of using it. And if I see anyone here guilty of that behaviour again, it'll be an instant month's ban for those responsible.

    Marco.
    I was using absurdio ad reductum to illustrate the logical fallacy of the 'If you haven't tried it you can't comment' argument, that's all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    I was using absurdio ad reductum to illustrate the logical fallacy of the 'If you haven't tried it you can't comment' argument, that's all.
    That's fine, but it doesn't further or add anything useful to the discussion, nor indeed dismiss the validity of the point Robin made.

    Marco.
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    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.


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    This is exactly the sort of product where dealers should offer a sale or return. I would be up for that.
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    Yup, if they've got confidence in the efficacy of their product, a test sample should be offered and distributed among interested forum members, for their subsequent appraisal. If the product is genuinely any good, and offers high SPPV, justifying its price tag, then it'll do well.

    Certainly on AoS, the latter is imperative, as we're not a forum largely populated by people with more money than sense!

    Marco.
    Main System

    Turntable: Heavily-modified Technics SL-1210MK5G [Mike New bearing/ETP platter/Paul Hynes SR7 PSU & reg mods]. Funk Firm APM Achromat/Nagaoka GL-601 Crystal Record Weight/Isonoe feet & boots/Ortofon RS-212D/Denon DL-103GL in Denon PCL-300 headshell with Funk Firm Houdini/Kondo SL-115 pure-silver cartridge leads.

    Paul Hynes MC head amp/SR5 PSU. Also modded Lentek head amp/Denon AU-310 SUT.

    Other Cartridges: Nippon Columbia (NOS 1987) Denon DL-103. USA-made Shure SC35C with NOS stylus. Goldring G820 with NOS stylus. Shure M55E with NOS stylus.

    CD Player: Audiocom-modified Sony X-777ES/DAS-R1 DAC.

    Tape Deck: Tandberg TCD 310, fully restored and recalibrated as new, by RDE, plus upgraded with heads from the TCD-420a. Also with matching TM4 Norway microphones.

    Preamps: Heavily-modified Croft Charisma-X. LDR Stereo Coffee. Power Amps: Tube Distinctions Copper Amp fitted with Tungsol KT-150s. Quad 306.

    Cables & Sundries: Mark Grant HDX1 interconnects and digital coaxial cable, plus Mark Grant 6mm UP-LCOFC Van Damme speaker cable. MCRU 'Ultimate' mains leads. Lehmann clone headphone amp with vintage Koss PRO-4AAA headphones.

    Tube Distinctions digital noise filter. VPI HW16.5 record cleaning machine.

    Speakers: Tannoy 15MGs in Lockwood cabinets with modified crossovers. 1967 Celestion Ditton 15.


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    tbh, companies in general dont do test ones. some dealers do but not all by any means. A bit sad as i might have bought things more often if they did.
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