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    My suspension has been sagging recently, those small blue pills seem to perk it up....

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    Quote Originally Posted by smangus View Post
    My suspension has been sagging recently, those small blue pills seem to perk it up....

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    Turntable - Modified Technics SL1210 MK5G
    Mike New precision bearing, bearing base plate, ETP Platter
    Micro Seiki MA-202 tonearm, rewired, hybrid ceramic bearings
    Ortofon Cadenza Black moving coil cartridge - Fritz Gyger S re-tip
    Yannis Tome 423.5 Silver-Litz tonearm cable with KLEI Pure Silver Harmony plugs
    Ebony armboard
    Audio Technica MS-8 Magnesium headshell, Ortofon pure silver headshell leads
    Isonoe Isolation Feet
    Paul Hynes SR7EHD PSU (plus regulator modules), DCSXL pure-silver DC lead with Jaegar low impedance connector
    CDP - Pioneer PD-91
    Speakers - Spendor D7 on Soundcare SuperSpikes
    QED Silver Spiral speaker cable, Airlock plugs - bare wire amp end.
    Mains - Ultra Pure silver plated un-switched socket, Missing link EPS 500 silver plated plugs with Hi-Fi Tuning gold plated silver ceramic 13 amp fuses

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    Quote Originally Posted by smangus View Post
    My suspension has been sagging recently, those small blue pills seem to perk it up....

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    I tried that and it altered my VTA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cas View Post
    I tried that and it altered my VTA.
    I bet
    My System:
    Amplification - Sansui AU-alpha 707 DR
    Turntable - Modified Technics SL1210 MK5G
    Mike New precision bearing, bearing base plate, ETP Platter
    Micro Seiki MA-202 tonearm, rewired, hybrid ceramic bearings
    Ortofon Cadenza Black moving coil cartridge - Fritz Gyger S re-tip
    Yannis Tome 423.5 Silver-Litz tonearm cable with KLEI Pure Silver Harmony plugs
    Ebony armboard
    Audio Technica MS-8 Magnesium headshell, Ortofon pure silver headshell leads
    Isonoe Isolation Feet
    Paul Hynes SR7EHD PSU (plus regulator modules), DCSXL pure-silver DC lead with Jaegar low impedance connector
    CDP - Pioneer PD-91
    Speakers - Spendor D7 on Soundcare SuperSpikes
    QED Silver Spiral speaker cable, Airlock plugs - bare wire amp end.
    Mains - Ultra Pure silver plated un-switched socket, Missing link EPS 500 silver plated plugs with Hi-Fi Tuning gold plated silver ceramic 13 amp fuses

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cas View Post
    I tried that and it altered my VTA.
    Sounds like you need to realign your tip!


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    Dropped the back of the arm a tad tonight and the 2M now sounds bang on!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbo View Post
    Dropped the back of the arm a tad tonight and the 2M now sounds bang on!
    Yep, As you and I know only too well, tail down for the Shibatas sweetspot, all day long.

    Coincidently, I've found the same with the Fritz Gyger S on my Cadenza now, tail down was awesome, just gotta get it back
    My System:
    Amplification - Sansui AU-alpha 707 DR
    Turntable - Modified Technics SL1210 MK5G
    Mike New precision bearing, bearing base plate, ETP Platter
    Micro Seiki MA-202 tonearm, rewired, hybrid ceramic bearings
    Ortofon Cadenza Black moving coil cartridge - Fritz Gyger S re-tip
    Yannis Tome 423.5 Silver-Litz tonearm cable with KLEI Pure Silver Harmony plugs
    Ebony armboard
    Audio Technica MS-8 Magnesium headshell, Ortofon pure silver headshell leads
    Isonoe Isolation Feet
    Paul Hynes SR7EHD PSU (plus regulator modules), DCSXL pure-silver DC lead with Jaegar low impedance connector
    CDP - Pioneer PD-91
    Speakers - Spendor D7 on Soundcare SuperSpikes
    QED Silver Spiral speaker cable, Airlock plugs - bare wire amp end.
    Mains - Ultra Pure silver plated un-switched socket, Missing link EPS 500 silver plated plugs with Hi-Fi Tuning gold plated silver ceramic 13 amp fuses

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobbieGong View Post
    Yep, As you and I know only too well, tail down for the Shibatas sweetspot, all day long.

    Coincidently, I've found the same with the Fritz Gyger S on my Cadenza now, tail down was awesome, just gotta get it back
    Hi Rob, did you fund the Fritz Gyger S better than the standard Cadenza Black stylus?
    VPI Scout 1.1 - Ortofon 2M Black - Croft 25R+ - Croft Series 7 - Spendor SP2

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbo View Post
    Hi Rob, did you fund the Fritz Gyger S better than the standard Cadenza Black stylus?
    Absolutley Jimbo, no question.

    The difference between the Cadenza with its original Shibata and then with the Frtiz Gyger S stylus profile tip is a bit more than subtle once you've had some time with it.

    As good as the Shibata Cadenza is, the Gyger S takes things to the next level, digging out even more from the grooves.

    Obviously then, very detailed like the Cadenza in standard form is but with the Gyger S even more recorded information is revealed which makes it very special and honest about what was recorded and I just love that.

    Even more of what was laid down is exposed, textures, phrasings, timing, recording level in regard to the the way things are miked up, which my brother also noticed is apparent.

    The woodiness of stick against the rim of the snare is much more tangible having a real woodiness to the sound.

    To use that cliche again, you discover certain tracks / albums all over again, you thought you knew them having heard them tens and tens of times but you realise you didnt.

    There is more contact area to the Gyger S tip profile, coupled with that it is very pointed apparently so not only does it trace loads of the grrove wall it gets deep into the groove too, hence all that info, not just detal coming through.

    It's not a surprise to me that Ortofon use this Replicant type profile too on all their 'upper end' carts, beyond the Cadenza Black.

    I'm not going to go on as sometimes you have to just leave things for those who can suss when something is really really good, without having to bang on about it.

    I've took a lot of great punts over the years based on that gut instinct and sussing out from the info I've received that some things are a no-brainer.

    With consideration of the thousands that the Replicant Ortofons cost aside (and out of the reach of most of us), I can only say that if you have a worn, Cadenza or similar Ortofon mc and like me take them as your cart of choice, then a Fritz Gyger S retip is a total no-brainer - the best 439 I could have ever spent in terms of a genuine upgrade over the original Shibata Cadenza Black - a bargain !

    So to answer your question, the Fritz Gyger S tipped Candeza Black is definately better in the true sense of the word, than the excellent Shibata original - It is superb
    My System:
    Amplification - Sansui AU-alpha 707 DR
    Turntable - Modified Technics SL1210 MK5G
    Mike New precision bearing, bearing base plate, ETP Platter
    Micro Seiki MA-202 tonearm, rewired, hybrid ceramic bearings
    Ortofon Cadenza Black moving coil cartridge - Fritz Gyger S re-tip
    Yannis Tome 423.5 Silver-Litz tonearm cable with KLEI Pure Silver Harmony plugs
    Ebony armboard
    Audio Technica MS-8 Magnesium headshell, Ortofon pure silver headshell leads
    Isonoe Isolation Feet
    Paul Hynes SR7EHD PSU (plus regulator modules), DCSXL pure-silver DC lead with Jaegar low impedance connector
    CDP - Pioneer PD-91
    Speakers - Spendor D7 on Soundcare SuperSpikes
    QED Silver Spiral speaker cable, Airlock plugs - bare wire amp end.
    Mains - Ultra Pure silver plated un-switched socket, Missing link EPS 500 silver plated plugs with Hi-Fi Tuning gold plated silver ceramic 13 amp fuses

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    Thanks very much for your full appraisal of the Fritz Gyger S. It certainly sounds a good investment over the standard Shibata. Glad it has worked out for you Rob, your system must sound stunning now!

    I have been messing all afternoon with VTA on the 2M Black. It is almost like using tone controls! Dial down the back a bit and you tame the top end and gain a fullness to the midrange information. Dial it back up and you get loads of detail but you loose body. Its all great fun and I love tinkering!

    I have an interesting project coming up if I can get hold of a used 2M Black or bronze body but they are rarer than hens teeth!:roll eyes:

    Cheers again for you reply.
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