Grim statistics on retirement age and life expectancy

[dave2010]

Nightmare. Utter wastes of space... I'd have them all neutered at birth! It's a major reason for why the world's in the state it is.

Marco.

I'm not sure that "you" are meant to be writing things like that - not very PC is it? Not that I'm disagreeing.

It's not only the low end who are causing problems. There are a lot of middle and upper people who are proud of having kids, and getting them educated, and perhaps into decent jobs. The kids then go off on gap years, and round the world holidays, and consume like it's going out of fashion. The parents meanwhile claim they can do their bit by their liberal and eco values. Perhaps they do manage to do recycling in the green (or blue) bins a couple of times a month, and think they've done their bit for the planet. In the meantime their progeny are carrying on with the consumption.

I'm not perfect - I've done some of this myself.

Some form of balance is needed, but some things, like motherhood and apple pie, just can't be criticised!

[Marco]

I'm not sure that "you" are meant to be writing things like that - not very PC is it? Not that I'm disagreeing.

Lol - do you think I give a damn, Dave? I'm completely non-PC. I say what I think, if I believe that it's justified, and folk can take it or leave it

It's not only the low end who are causing problems. There are a lot of middle and upper people who are proud of having kids, and getting them educated, and perhaps into decent jobs.

And so they should. It isn't necessarily a class thing. Good parents are born from having good values instilled in them by their parents, not from wealth or status, and for bringing kids onto this earth for the *right* reasons, i.e. ones that don't involve gaining financially from the exercise, at the taxpayer's expense!

Plus, in terms of relationships and marriage, and the knock-on effects of that, as far as couples having children, it helps the development of your offspring if the marriages and relationships in question (and any subsequent births) were founded upon/as a result of mutual LOVE and RESPECT between both parties concerned, not convenience/the feeling of having to satisfy an 'obligation', or worse, the unwanted result of a drunken Saturday night fumble in a bus shelter....

Howz dat for being 'non-PC'?

Marco.

[Pigmy Pony]

Lol - do you think I give a damn, Dave? I'm completely non-PC. I say what I think, if I believe that it's justified, and folk can take it or leave it



And so they should. It isn't necessarily a class thing. Good parents are born from having good values instilled in them by their parents, not from wealth or status, and for bringing kids onto this earth for the *right* reasons, i.e. ones that don't involve gaining financially from the exercise, at the taxpayer's expense!

Plus, in terms of relationships and marriage, and the knock-on effects of that, as far as couples having children, it helps the development of your offspring if the marriages and relationships in question (and any subsequent pregnancies) were founded upon/as a result of mutual LOVE and RESPECT between both parties concerned, not convenience/the feeling of having to satisfy an 'obligation', or worse, the unwanted result of a drunken Saturday night fumble in a bus shelter....

Howz dat for being 'non-PC'?

Marco.

To be fair, Dave did say he was not disagreeing...

It's time this term "PC" was knocked on the head - these days it seems to be an automatic reaction to any bold statement (ooh, is it PC? Are we allowed to say that?) The answers are: "don't care", and "I'm going to say it anyway".

We should all try to make at least one "un-PC" statement every day, and if anyone objects, just take them off your Christmas cards list. Or if you feel up to it give 'em a smack round the head. Eventually un-PC will become the accepted norm, and we can all go back to the business of relying on common sense.

My dear mother always used to say that prospective parents should first take an IQ test, and if they score below a certain number shouldn't be allowed to procreate.

While I think that may be a bit harsh, I do wonder whether there should be a licensing system, where tests should be taken, to determine intelligence, aptitude and mental suitability. After all you wouldn't want a psycho babysitting your kids, so imagine how bad it could be if your own mum or dad was that nutjob.

[Macca]

We should all try to make at least one "un-PC" statement every day, and if anyone objects, just take them off your Christmas cards list. Or if you feel up to it give 'em a smack round the head. Eventually un-PC will become the accepted norm, and we can all go back to the business of relying on common sense.

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I've been doing that for years. In fact I usually manage more than one a day now I'm thinking about it. Work is a good venue. Apparently suggesting that the 'Children In Need' telethon be re-named 'Children In Need Of Playstations' is not PC. Who knew?

[Marco]

To be fair, Dave did say he was not disagreeing...

Oh I know... I was just clearing up the PC thing!

It's time this term "PC" was knocked on the head - these days it seems to be an automatic reaction to any bold statement (ooh, is it PC? Are we allowed to say that?) The answers are: "don't care", and "I'm going to say it anyway".

We should all try to make at least one "un-PC" statement every day, and if anyone objects, just take them off your Christmas cards list. Or if you feel up to it give 'em a smack round the head. Eventually un-PC will become the accepted norm, and we can all go back to the business of relying on common sense.

Haha - too fucking right... I have an extremely low-tolerance threshold for 'delicate little wallflowers', who get 'offended' by the sight of their own shadows. FUCK political correctness!! Deal instead with REALITY.

My dear mother always used to say that prospective parents should first take an IQ test, and if they score below a certain number shouldn't be allowed to procreate.

While I think that may be a bit harsh, I do wonder whether there should be a licensing system, where tests should be taken, to determine intelligence, aptitude and mental suitability. After all you wouldn't want a psycho babysitting your kids, so imagine how bad it could be if your own mum or dad was that nutjob.

...and she had a very good point, as indeed do you in the bit I've highlighted. Best not get me started on that one, as I have *very strong* views on the matter, which would almost certainly have the 'PC brigade' reaching for their inhalers and tut-tutting into their lightly-soiled panties

Marco.

[Marco]

I've been doing that for years. In fact I usually manage more than one a day now I'm thinking about it. Work is a good venue. Apparently suggesting that the 'Children In Need' telethon be re-named 'Children In Need Of Playstations' is not PC. Who knew?

More like 'Children in Need of a Good Kick Up The Backside'!!

Marco.

[Pigmy Pony]

I've been doing that for years. In fact I usually manage more than one a day now I'm thinking about it. Work is a good venue. Apparently suggesting that the 'Children In Need' telethon be re-named 'Children In Need Of Playstations' is not PC. Who knew?

I call it "Children in need of a slap".

[Pigmy Pony]

Of course "Children in need of a PlayStation" is not PC. It's not X-Box either. It's PlayStation.

[Joe]

Some form of balance is needed, but some things, like motherhood and apple pie, just can't be criticised!

Quite rightly. My mother's apple pie was delicious.

[dave2010]

Oh I know... I was just clearing up the PC thing!

No Probs ...

While I think that may be a bit harsh, I do wonder whether there should be a licensing system, where tests should be taken, to determine intelligence, aptitude and mental suitability. After all you wouldn't want a psycho babysitting your kids, so imagine how bad it could be if your own mum or dad was that nutjob.

However, bright and responsible parents do not necessarily produce bright and responsbile offspring, and I believe that it's also possible that
dumb and irresponsbile parents may have bright and responsible progeny.

Genetics is weird, and results aren't always as some might expect. Thus eugenics hasn't always worked in the past - perhaps fortunately.