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    Thanks to all for your input.

    I've decided to follow Jimbo's advice, so I'm selling my hifi and record collection to fund buying the Music first phono amp, it's the only sensible option

    I think that when the time comes to look more seriously at making a purchase, I'd be silly not to try a Firebottle at home. And maybe get out and see what else I can have a listen to.

    Adding a phono stage would mean my vinyl buying budget being redirected, so it's going to take a bit of thinking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stairpost View Post
    Thanks to all for your input.

    I've decided to follow Jimbo's advice, so I'm selling my hifi and record collection to fund buying the Music first phono amp, it's the only sensible option

    I think that when the time comes to look more seriously at making a purchase, I'd be silly not to try a Firebottle at home. And maybe get out and see what else I can have a listen to.

    Adding a phono stage would mean my vinyl buying budget being redirected, so it's going to take a bit of thinking about.

    Cheers

    Rich.
    I would look at either the Firebottle Vivant / Bigbottle phono(when it's finished)
    Or Croft RIAA R and maybe a Paradise. I am sure one of these would definitely tick all your boxes. I recon the Bigbottle would probably be the best bang for bucks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigman80 View Post
    That's coz were valve phonostage fans Jim.

    I haven't heard a SS Phonostage that out performs a valve phonostage.

    I've heard SS Phonostages that do some hints better but overall, I always prefer the valve ones because of my taste.
    Well I have certainly heard SS stages that outperform valve ones and Iíve heard SS ones bettered by valve stages. Things become more complicated still when one considers that some valve stages are actually hybrids that use SS power supplies. The technology used makes less difference than the specific circuit and implementation IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YNWaN View Post
    Well I have certainly heard SS stages that outperform valve ones and I’ve heard SS ones bettered by valve stages..
    Same here.
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    I am lucky to have owned the best one I have ever heard a simple Audion Silver night using 2x 2269 tubes.
    A good Phono amp is critical.
    David Chesal got that one right for sure. That and a Sumiko Black bird is all you need.

    Not the Silver Night but I don't see that made now. https://www.audion.co.uk/pre-amps/Pr...M%20phono.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by YNWaN View Post
    Well I have certainly heard SS stages that outperform valve ones and I’ve heard SS ones bettered by valve stages. Things become more complicated still when one considers that some valve stages are actually hybrids that use SS power supplies. The technology used makes less difference than the specific circuit and implementation IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YNWaN View Post
    Well I have certainly heard SS stages that outperform valve ones and I’ve heard SS ones bettered by valve stages. Things become more complicated still when one considers that some valve stages are actually hybrids that use SS power supplies. The technology used makes less difference than the specific circuit and implementation IMO.
    I tottaly agree wisely said, I have heard fantastic valve phono stages and the superb solid state units its the sum of the parts and the implementation that matters you can more certainly pick out a manufacturer who carefully selects parts and listens as most things in hifi nothing is easy.
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    Reply to thread self removed due to censorship.Very disappointed in AOS here!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bob4333 View Post
    I know the well respected Graham Slee used to do a postal loan scheme if solid state takes your interest.
    They still do. It is run through his forum.

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    A Valab LCR MKIII is worth consideration...incredible detail and silent as a mouse

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