Location: Grimsby
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I'm David.
The problem is Mike that going to yours for a listen isn't going to help. I'm sure your system sounds fantastic but how do I know what part *if any* of that is what the box is contributing? And it's no good disconnecting the box to show me as the effect is said to gradually fade away over time rather than just stop on the moment of disconnection.
So if I ask you to disconnect the box and then hear no difference this is because the effect is still lingering, and not because the box does nothing. Likewise if you have it disconnected for a while then reconnect the benefit will not instantly re-appear, I will have to wait while it gradually takes hold.
So any A/B comparison is impossible. In fact I wonder given these caveats how you can be so sure that the box is contributing anything? It seems to me that even those who have tried it cannot be certain that it really does anything.
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TEAC VRDS 701T > Sony TAE1000ESD > Krell KSA50S > JM Labs Focal Electra 926.
Location: Near Saffron Walden, Essex
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I'm Dave.
How can the effect possibly fade away over time when the box is removed ? Does the box charge up the system or something ?
The effect was immediate when plugging in the cables the first time.
Sound quality improved after that, causing head scratching and puzzlement.
When I pluck up the courage I will test, disconnect all, listen again and reconnect.
Need to do soon to report back on this thread and I assume offer again.
TAD CD / DAC / Pre, Technics 1210, MCRU PSU, Mike New Bearing & Platter, Stillpoints LP1 weight, Speedy Steve Ebony armboard, Fidelity Research FR64FX arm, Ortofon SPU. Aurorasound VIDA Phono Pre Amp, TAD Power Amp, TAD E1 speakers. Coherent RTZ 3 Grounding box, Coherent grounding cables, Creaktiv racks. Coherent Mains Cables. SR Blue Fuse. Interconnects : Coherent and Yannis 223.5 Connect Litz. Coherent speaker cable. Audio Magic Transcendence Conditioner. Coherent mains socket. Mains Filters : , PS Audio Harvesters, Russ Andrews Purifiers, Tacima, Vertex. Black Ravioli and RDC supports. Electric Beach S1NX platforms for TAD CD and Technics. Ferrite chokes everywhere except the above. Ears, brain
Mike
TAD CD / DAC / Pre, Technics 1210, MCRU PSU, Mike New Bearing & Platter, Stillpoints LP1 weight, Speedy Steve Ebony armboard, Fidelity Research FR64FX arm, Ortofon SPU. Aurorasound VIDA Phono Pre Amp, TAD Power Amp, TAD E1 speakers. Coherent RTZ 3 Grounding box, Coherent grounding cables, Creaktiv racks. Coherent Mains Cables. SR Blue Fuse. Interconnects : Coherent and Yannis 223.5 Connect Litz. Coherent speaker cable. Audio Magic Transcendence Conditioner. Coherent mains socket. Mains Filters : , PS Audio Harvesters, Russ Andrews Purifiers, Tacima, Vertex. Black Ravioli and RDC supports. Electric Beach S1NX platforms for TAD CD and Technics. Ferrite chokes everywhere except the above. Ears, brain
Mike
Correct me if I’m wrong Mike but I believe Tony claims the RTZ box works in a different way to the others on the market as indicated in your thread on TAS...
There is no rocket science here, just grounding principles taken to a particularly conclusion which produces the desired results
Vertex Aq, Entreq and Nordost all have products which claim do produce a similar condition
However on this occasion measurements will tell you what you need to know with these products.
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Only a Sith deals in absolutes.
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I'm bob.
You may not have noticed that Mike is not using an Entreq box, but another.
However, the effect 'of lowering the noise floor' (as opposed to injecting noise into the system) is likely to be similar. Not all grounding systems use a mineral filling like Entreq but for the purposes of this thread the reasons for grounding are to achieve the same effect.
Mike has made a very generous offer to demo his system but it would not surprise me if the cynics refused just in case they can hear a difference. The truth is that differences (improvements) are so easy to hear that it would mean a complete rethink for somebody who is sceptical.
If this theory about 'injecting more noise' was correct and this noise being 'perceived as an improvement', why would people add more grounding? The extra noise from each these extra boxes would drown out any detail in any system, so why do that? I have asked this as a question because it will be interesting to hear how far the theorists can go.