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  1. #791
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    Update on the new CD Transport, a Shanling ET3.
    Wanted to put some time on it before posting anything about its sound.

    Owned an ET3 for a few months now, a noticable upgrade over my modded Audiolab 6000CDT, which sounded better than stock model.
    Did additional and similar mods to my Oppo 203 (EMI/RF treatment and case damping) and the Oppo improved on the Audiolab again.

    Thinking the Oppo was my "last disc spinner"?
    But got curious about the ET3

    Heard abouts its i2s output (Big thing for my PS Audio dac), on board upsampling, USB input, can be used as a Server and its half width form factor.
    Controls on the top are a smart choice too.

    Took a punt on one and after a bit of running in and trying out different approaches to isolation, its sounding better across the board than both.





    From stick on rubber feet to all this malarkey!
    Worth it though... including the specific ceramic ball bearngs (Thanks Naim Forum and Fraim for the spark of an idea to hear that different types make a difference, especially on a glass rack. BIG difference)





    Over i2s, Redbook CD upsampled to 24/192, it sounds better than a SACD of the same album, played in to the same dac over my Oppo 203.

    Bit of a gamechanger this.

    Has a USB input, and can play SACD *.ISO files, an ability my Oppo lost a few firmware updates ago.
    All my SACD rips playing in native DSD, from a USB stick, playing over i2s to my Dac, full Res... and all from a £600 cd transport?
    WTF!!

    Server functionality too, UPNP, Bluetooth, DNLA and Airplay 1 (the original that does lossless)
    Streams lossless audio from Apple TV (Radio Paradise,YouTube, Apple Music) over Airplay and sounds fantastic - a genuine hifi source now Apple's hardware limitation has been worked around.
    Believe Shanling are working on Roon Certification as well, though thats not set in stone yet.

    Cool wee display on it too:

    ALBUM ART WITH TRACK INFO


    STREAMING OVER DNLA


    STREAMING OVER AIRPLAY (Lossless Audio from AppleTV)


    STREAMING OVER BLUETOOTH


    CD UPSAMPLING (Can go to DSD 512, but Redbook CD best at 24/192)


    I'm buying CDs again!

    ... AND reliving the same Sellers remorse I had selling my vinyl to go CD... went streaming a few years back and sold a lot of CDs.
    Damn wish I'd kept them.

    Anyhoo.

    Sound quality of the Transport scales up depending on your Dac?
    Audiolab and Oppo were great, but can run out of capacity depending what they are plugged into. Kinda learning how good my PS Audio dac actually is with this thing...
    Brings a lot of resolution to CDs and sounds detailed, grain free and transparent.
    Couldn't want for more really.

    Source first?

    CONS
    The Shanling App needs a bit of work, early stages yet and very simple.
    Need it to browse music from USB drive, and delve into deeper settings.

    Few software glitches initially getting my Wifi to connect, had to set my router to Legacy mode for the initial connection via the App.
    Shanling recently updated the Firmware (always a good sign) to V1.7 and any software niggles I had have gone.

    Little bump in sound quality too I think, especially playing DSD stuff over USB.
    (Like Apple, a lot of unnanounced software stuff going on under the hood)

    Purely as a CD Transport its Killer?

    Easily beats both my Audiolab 6000CDT and Oppo 203 into the same Dac, and both were heavily modded and improved over stock.
    More refined, higher resolution "high end" sound from it, not digital sounding at all.
    With the Server functionality, a rare set of digital outputs, including USB output, this things a Doozy.
    Its a digital swiss army knife, and sounds superb. Best digital I've had in my system.

    Not the best You Tube quality video ever, but gives an idea of the dynamics of this thing, its genuinely blow your hair back amazing.
    (SPOLIER: THE TRANSPORTS NOT A BOTTLENECK, EVEN WITH AN ACCUPHASE AMP)

    Listen for how "organic" it sounds and how it just "flows"?
    Thats what I'm hearing with my own music.



    Build quality is extremely good, not just for its pricepoint but significantly more.
    Very solid damped casework, all the hifi worry stuff has been thought of by Shanling already and taken care of.
    The Top Loading is an absolute delight, very hands on and gives it a "digital turntable" vibe, I love it.

    Had similar with my Pioneer Stable Platter player way back when, but not like this.
    SO much better than a rattly plastic tray.
    This stuff all adds to enjoying putting on a CD.

    Had zero issues with mine once I got Wifi connected.

    Best way to digital music?
    Streaming... With all it's "Ah.. but"s, or a modern CD Transport into a good Dac.
    Dunno?

    The Shanling is toe to toe with my record player. Better in a lot of ways.

    This things amazing,
    anyone sitting on the fence I'd say go for it, best improvement to my system in years.
    Last edited by Gazjam; 06-11-2024 at 16:29.
    AC POWER
    Hardwired 10kVA balanced mains powering entire system
    AMPS
    Meridian 557 power Amp (Modded) / PS Audio BHK Preamp (Modded)
    SPEAKERS
    Wharfedale Evo 4.4 (Modded)
    DAC
    PS Audio Directstream (Modded)
    TURNTABLE
    Pro-Ject X8 balanced output via XLR / Ortofon Quintet Blue cartridge (not Modded
    )
    PHONOSTAGE
    Pro-Ject DS3 B balanced Input (TT and Phonostage powered by Pro-Ject Power box RS2 linear psu)
    DIGITAL
    CD PLAYBACK - Shanling ET3 CD Transport over i2s to Dac + MOVIE PLAYBACK Oppo 203 (Modded: Linear PSU, i2s output to Dac)
    Tweaked AP-Linux based Roon Server into Oppo 203 as Roon endpoint
    Ipad Roon Remote.
    Apple Music/ YouTube via AppleTV, fed to Shanling via Airplay 1 (losslessly) and onwards to Dac via Wireworld Silver Electra 7 i2s HDMI cable
    SPEAKER CABLES
    Biwired: Biwire from Meridian 557 amp to speakers - Duelund DCA10GA on both bass and treble runs
    INTERCONNECTS
    All Balanced: Ghost+ recording studio XLR cables


    Sounds pretty good!

  2. #792
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    Sounds like the Shanling was a good choice Gary. Some really great stuff coming out of these Chinese companies.

    Have you seen the Gustard X30 DAC. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLkFoU3fu18&t=348s. Things are still moving in the digital world and I like the look of this number crunching machine.
    Main system : VPI Scout 1.1 / JMW 9T / 2M Black / Croft 25R+ / Croft 7 / Heco Celan GT 702

    Second System : Goldring Lenco GL75 / AT95EX / Pioneer SX590 / Spendor SP2

  3. #793
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    At least you can re-buy your CDs for a lot less money than re-buying your vinyl!
    Current Lash Up:

    TEAC VRDS 701T > Sony TAE1000ESD > Krell KSA50S > JM Labs Focal Electra 926.

  4. #794
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    At least you can re-buy your CDs for a lot less money than re-buying your vinyl!
    Fair comment!

    (Thank You Music Magpie... )
    AC POWER
    Hardwired 10kVA balanced mains powering entire system
    AMPS
    Meridian 557 power Amp (Modded) / PS Audio BHK Preamp (Modded)
    SPEAKERS
    Wharfedale Evo 4.4 (Modded)
    DAC
    PS Audio Directstream (Modded)
    TURNTABLE
    Pro-Ject X8 balanced output via XLR / Ortofon Quintet Blue cartridge (not Modded
    )
    PHONOSTAGE
    Pro-Ject DS3 B balanced Input (TT and Phonostage powered by Pro-Ject Power box RS2 linear psu)
    DIGITAL
    CD PLAYBACK - Shanling ET3 CD Transport over i2s to Dac + MOVIE PLAYBACK Oppo 203 (Modded: Linear PSU, i2s output to Dac)
    Tweaked AP-Linux based Roon Server into Oppo 203 as Roon endpoint
    Ipad Roon Remote.
    Apple Music/ YouTube via AppleTV, fed to Shanling via Airplay 1 (losslessly) and onwards to Dac via Wireworld Silver Electra 7 i2s HDMI cable
    SPEAKER CABLES
    Biwired: Biwire from Meridian 557 amp to speakers - Duelund DCA10GA on both bass and treble runs
    INTERCONNECTS
    All Balanced: Ghost+ recording studio XLR cables


    Sounds pretty good!

  5. #795
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbo View Post
    Sounds like the Shanling was a good choice Gary. Some really great stuff coming out of these Chinese companies.

    Have you seen the Gustard X30 DAC. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLkFoU3fu18&t=348s. Things are still moving in the digital world and I like the look of this number crunching machine.
    Hiya James

    Yeah,
    heard good things about this Dac, always nice to see i2s being more widely adopted too.
    Done right it really is the best digital connection.

    Good looking bit of gear, looks its price (at £2K+) which isn't always the case.
    Your spot on in that digital is moving forward all the time, think the delta between mid price gear and high end is narrowing all the time?

    Would enjoy hearing one.

    Really like the display on the X30, its a forward looking piece of kit.
    Great write up on it here:
    https://soundnews.net/reviews/source...lta-sigma-dac/

    Some really great kit coming from the Far East nowadays, the old stigmas and stereotypes dont mean a thing now.
    And it's only going to get better!
    Last edited by Gazjam; 06-11-2024 at 12:29.
    AC POWER
    Hardwired 10kVA balanced mains powering entire system
    AMPS
    Meridian 557 power Amp (Modded) / PS Audio BHK Preamp (Modded)
    SPEAKERS
    Wharfedale Evo 4.4 (Modded)
    DAC
    PS Audio Directstream (Modded)
    TURNTABLE
    Pro-Ject X8 balanced output via XLR / Ortofon Quintet Blue cartridge (not Modded
    )
    PHONOSTAGE
    Pro-Ject DS3 B balanced Input (TT and Phonostage powered by Pro-Ject Power box RS2 linear psu)
    DIGITAL
    CD PLAYBACK - Shanling ET3 CD Transport over i2s to Dac + MOVIE PLAYBACK Oppo 203 (Modded: Linear PSU, i2s output to Dac)
    Tweaked AP-Linux based Roon Server into Oppo 203 as Roon endpoint
    Ipad Roon Remote.
    Apple Music/ YouTube via AppleTV, fed to Shanling via Airplay 1 (losslessly) and onwards to Dac via Wireworld Silver Electra 7 i2s HDMI cable
    SPEAKER CABLES
    Biwired: Biwire from Meridian 557 amp to speakers - Duelund DCA10GA on both bass and treble runs
    INTERCONNECTS
    All Balanced: Ghost+ recording studio XLR cables


    Sounds pretty good!

  6. #796
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    Another similarly priced new Dac is this one, the Liav Harmony from Japan.



    An R2R Ladder Dac, balanced outputs and using i2s, ticks all my boxes.
    Love the looks of this thing, genuinely different.

    https://www.hifi-advice.com/blog/rev...ost_from=38905
    AC POWER
    Hardwired 10kVA balanced mains powering entire system
    AMPS
    Meridian 557 power Amp (Modded) / PS Audio BHK Preamp (Modded)
    SPEAKERS
    Wharfedale Evo 4.4 (Modded)
    DAC
    PS Audio Directstream (Modded)
    TURNTABLE
    Pro-Ject X8 balanced output via XLR / Ortofon Quintet Blue cartridge (not Modded
    )
    PHONOSTAGE
    Pro-Ject DS3 B balanced Input (TT and Phonostage powered by Pro-Ject Power box RS2 linear psu)
    DIGITAL
    CD PLAYBACK - Shanling ET3 CD Transport over i2s to Dac + MOVIE PLAYBACK Oppo 203 (Modded: Linear PSU, i2s output to Dac)
    Tweaked AP-Linux based Roon Server into Oppo 203 as Roon endpoint
    Ipad Roon Remote.
    Apple Music/ YouTube via AppleTV, fed to Shanling via Airplay 1 (losslessly) and onwards to Dac via Wireworld Silver Electra 7 i2s HDMI cable
    SPEAKER CABLES
    Biwired: Biwire from Meridian 557 amp to speakers - Duelund DCA10GA on both bass and treble runs
    INTERCONNECTS
    All Balanced: Ghost+ recording studio XLR cables


    Sounds pretty good!

  7. #797
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    Can't say I agree with the idea that digital is moving forwards, I think it was a done deal a long time ago.

    Most of the technology now being discovered and hailed as advances is from the 1980s - like I2S and R-2R. Only difference with R-2R now is they do it discretely at much higher cost and with less accuracy (not less enough to matter, but still...).

    I'm currently using a DAC from 1989 and I'm fairly convinced it's giving nothing away to one from 2024.
    Current Lash Up:

    TEAC VRDS 701T > Sony TAE1000ESD > Krell KSA50S > JM Labs Focal Electra 926.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gazjam View Post
    Another similarly priced new Dac is this one, the Liav Harmony from Japan.



    An R2R Ladder Dac, balanced outputs and using i2s, ticks all my boxes.
    Love the looks of this thing, genuinely different.

    https://www.hifi-advice.com/blog/rev...ost_from=38905
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJm6-77fN
    Regards
    Brian

    Sell your cleverness and buy bewilderment . (Rumi )


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    JustBoom DAC . HRT Musicstreamer 2
    Amplifier : Sony TA FB740R
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    Interconnects : MS Audio / Klotz MC5000 .
    Speaker cables : Western Electric 16AG

  9. #799
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    Can't say I agree with the idea that digital is moving forwards, I think it was a done deal a long time ago.

    Most of the technology now being discovered and hailed as advances is from the 1980s - like I2S and R-2R. Only difference with R-2R now is they do it discretely at much higher cost and with less accuracy (not less enough to matter, but still...).

    I'm currently using a DAC from 1989 and I'm fairly convinced it's giving nothing away to one from 2024.
    Always new things to discover, and ways to improve what’s already there?
    Don’t disagree the fundamentals are probably already out the box, but refining them seems to be ongoing.
    AC POWER
    Hardwired 10kVA balanced mains powering entire system
    AMPS
    Meridian 557 power Amp (Modded) / PS Audio BHK Preamp (Modded)
    SPEAKERS
    Wharfedale Evo 4.4 (Modded)
    DAC
    PS Audio Directstream (Modded)
    TURNTABLE
    Pro-Ject X8 balanced output via XLR / Ortofon Quintet Blue cartridge (not Modded
    )
    PHONOSTAGE
    Pro-Ject DS3 B balanced Input (TT and Phonostage powered by Pro-Ject Power box RS2 linear psu)
    DIGITAL
    CD PLAYBACK - Shanling ET3 CD Transport over i2s to Dac + MOVIE PLAYBACK Oppo 203 (Modded: Linear PSU, i2s output to Dac)
    Tweaked AP-Linux based Roon Server into Oppo 203 as Roon endpoint
    Ipad Roon Remote.
    Apple Music/ YouTube via AppleTV, fed to Shanling via Airplay 1 (losslessly) and onwards to Dac via Wireworld Silver Electra 7 i2s HDMI cable
    SPEAKER CABLES
    Biwired: Biwire from Meridian 557 amp to speakers - Duelund DCA10GA on both bass and treble runs
    INTERCONNECTS
    All Balanced: Ghost+ recording studio XLR cables


    Sounds pretty good!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gazjam View Post
    Always new things to discover, and ways to improve what’s already there?
    Don’t disagree the fundamentals are probably already out the box, but refining them seems to be ongoing.
    Have to admit when I got the Sony pre-amp I was a bit concerned that its DAC wouldn't be up to it, and as all inputs are digitised there's no way to bypass it.

    Concerns went away with the first few bars of music!

    Agree that there's always ways of pushing the envelope with the DAC technology. I'm sure that the Topping it replaced would trash it in the measurements. But I think we passed the limits of our hearing a long time back. And my hearing's not getting better with time (or any other bit of me for that matter...)
    Current Lash Up:

    TEAC VRDS 701T > Sony TAE1000ESD > Krell KSA50S > JM Labs Focal Electra 926.

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