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    I'm sure lots of people like the 'tinkering' aspect of vinyl replay, but I'm not one of them. My favourite two sayings are 'if it ain't broke...' and 'leave it alone Steve, you'll only make it worse'.

    I bet the thicker heavier slab that is your 180g record will have more of an effect on sound quality anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pigmy Pony View Post
    I'm sure lots of people like the 'tinkering' aspect of vinyl replay, but I'm not one of them. My favourite two sayings are 'if it ain't broke...' and 'leave it alone Steve, you'll only make it worse'.

    I bet the thicker heavier slab that is your 180g record will have more of an effect on sound quality anyway.
    Yep, it should help with the bottom end definition if the rest of the equipment is up to handling it, anything below 60hz becomes tricky to be accurate and controlled as I understand it. My understanding is that all styli have a sweet spot of their own which is dependant on the type of stylus, the angle of the cantilever and ultimately the angle of the stylus in the groove. So by using a thicker record or for that matter introducing a ticker mat or adding one will raise the cartridge and thus change the angle of attack that the stylus meets the record. So if originally the stylus was set up say for an average thickness of record as soon as you increase or decrease the record height in relation to the platter then it will move the stylus from its sweet spot, it will either become hard as I experienced, increasing sibilance, and loosing bottom end or the opposite sounding dull and too much bass. When I set mine up the first time I was quite surprised what a difference a small amount of VTA change made to the sound, certainly with my cartridge anyway. I believe some makes are more compliant than others, I believe some Ortofon cartridges can be tricky to get right. Anyway as you say if your happy with how it sounds great, but if you notice a big change when putting thicker or thinner records on then it might be worth checking the VTA for your cartridge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by karma67 View Post
    it also doesn't help that the 2m black is one of the most fussy cartridges to set up right for vta
    I think it depends to some extent on the stylus profile and its effect on SRA (stylus rake angle), which, of course, is affected by VTA. If the 2M is as described above, it certainly wouldn't help !

    Generally, the higher the arm at the back, the leaner/more shrill/ more sibilant (etc) the sound becomes; treble orientated with negative effect on bass. The converse is also true, with a duller, bassy presentation and no 'sparkle'. Normal start is arm horizontal, and fine tune VTA to suit, but horizontal usually works for most arms/cart's (up to a point).

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    As 180grm vinyl is a newish thing and so modern pressings some has its own problems and I've not heard any that is better than original pressings. 12" 45rpm I have is better and half speed mastered better still, dependant on master tape quality.
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