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    So far as cyclists are concerned (being a regular cyclist myself) European regulations say to give 1.5m of space when overtaking a cyclist and I thought that the UK were thinking of bringing it in here. I suppose we await the Brexit fiasco. Where I live it would be farcical to enforce a 1.5m passing width as the roads are just not wide enough which I suspect is the case all over the country inc London (where there are no cycle lanes).

    All I ask as a cyclist is that care is taken when ever you encounter a cyclist and pass leaving a sensible and safe amount of space. I know there are the Tour De France impersonators who ride like idiots especially when in a pack. I have driven behind them many times around here as it is a popular area for them and it beggars belief the idiotic things they do....and anyone cycling two abreast or more is asking for trouble. I know what the Highway Code says about cycling two abreast, but in practice this just leads to drivers doing stupid and dangerous overtaking manoeuvres.
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    Oh dear, my eyesight is going from bad to worse - I thought the thread title said "Elton John". Time for some new specs. Or maybe sell the car and get a bicycle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pigmy Pony View Post
    Oh dear, my eyesight is going from bad to worse - I thought the thread title said "Elton John". Time for some new specs. Or maybe sell the car and get a bicycle.
    I was also expecting to read something about Elton John so it's not just you. Fortunately for the rest of the world I don't drive. Or cycle.


    To me this seems like making up more rules and regulations just for the sake of it.

    Curfews - Times when they are allowed to be on the road
    Passengers - Limits for how many passengers a new driver can have
    Speed - Separate, lower speed limits to other drivers
    Engine sizes - Limits on how powerful their cars can be
    Mandatory P plates - These are currently optional, but could be made mandatory for up to two years
    Alcohol - Lower limits than the general driving population.


    Who is actually going to police all of this stuff? It's very rare you see a copper round here, either in a car or on foot. And if you do they are already on their way to something far more urgent. Like they've got time to stop and count how many passengers you have in the car and check to see how long you've been driving. And exactly why does it matter how many passengers there are? What difference does that make to anything?
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    Yes, and how are they going to police the cyclist passing width? I suppose I will have buy a headcam, which I have avoided doing so far, not to dob anyone in, but in case I am knocked off.
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    The engine size limit is probably a good thing, but more important would be a power limit.

    No domestic vehicle actually needs more than 100 bhp, in fact if being realistic, 75 bhp would be adequate. The 'boy racers' would of course be up-in-arms at such a suggestion. It will come anyway, sooner or later. In any case, the important thing is useful torque and flexibilty and electric vehicles will deliver this.

    Eventually, vehicles will be area speed limited. Probably controlled by something like GPS or localised ground stations of some sort. A blanket max limit of say 60 mph will hurt nobody, but would make travelling boring (or is that 'more boring'?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Puffin View Post
    Yes, and how are they going to police the cyclist passing width? I suppose I will have buy a headcam, which I have avoided doing so far, not to dob anyone in, but in case I am knocked off.
    The headcam view isn't going to show how close a car is to you unless you happen to glance to your right just before it knocks you off. You need cameras all round really.

    I get the impression that these are laws invented by lawyers for lawyers. Ambulance chasers. I mean it is already against the law to knock a cyclist off, the difficulty is in proving that the motorist was driving without due care and attention and that the cyclist didn't just swerve into his path.

    Was on the A50 late on Xmas eve, pretty heavy fog. There was a motorbike doing 70 mph, with a pillion passenger and L plates. Changed lanes right in front of us without looking. Just a question of split seconds between him getting away with it and them both being dead or seriously injured. You can't legislate for stupidity.
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    Cyclists should be made to learn to ride a bike properly, like the drivers of cars and motorbikes have to. They also should have to take a test to get a license to ride a bike on todays roads, as most of them haven't a clue about the highway code, or don't care about it. Also, they should be made to buy insurance, to leaglly have their bicycle on the road. It should have to have an MOT, afterall it's a vehicle on the road with other traffic. Another point to consider is, what happened to rear view mirrors? If cyclists didn't ride two abreast and the tour de france squad rode properly, drivers of cars wouldnt have to do stupid and dangerous overtaking manoeuvres... The tour de france squad can get their push bikes in excess of 60 mph and I've frequently seen cyclists do more than 30mph.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mad-moon View Post
    Cyclists should be made to learn to ride a bike properly.
    Doesn't work for motorists so why would it work for cyclists? Next time you are in the car count how many incidents of bad driving you can spot in any ten-minute period (exceeding the speed limit counts). One a minute is pretty easy to achieve. But they've all had hours of instruction and passed the test.
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    think they are making way too many rules... the old rules are still valid and if used properly will stop bad driving. its the lawyers you need to get under control can you imagine a world without lawyers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    Doesn't work for motorists so why would it work for cyclists? Next time you are in the car count how many incidents of bad driving you can spot in any ten-minute period (exceeding the speed limit counts). One a minute is pretty easy to achieve. But they've all had hours of instruction and passed the test.
    probably not. but it would be legal by law. a license, an mot, insurance and the power would be there, as it is for everyone else on the highway, to have the privilege to be on the road, taken away from you...
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