Denon DL-S1 MC cartridge

[paulf-2007]

I disagree, Paul. First impressions are critical. If you like something, you instantly know it. Anything else is just you (collective) trying to convince yourself you like something.

I've said before, I dont need weeks to know if something is doing what I like. That's the bonus of knowing exactly what I like and want.

The Denon is a very likeable cartridge and like it I do, but I know what direction I am going in and that's to get the Kb to 'Vienna-ish' levels.



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fair enough mate I'll be on me way then

[Bigman80]

don't be like that mate, I'm just a first impressions kind and I think it's fair to say I have a good handle on what it does do and where I'm happiest is with the Kb.

It's all good!!

fair enough mate I'll be on me way then

[Bigman80]

spot on oli

[Macca]

I agree if you don't like it from the off then you're not likely to grow to like it. On the other hand I have had the odd item that has been impressive at first but on longer and more varied listening has had flaws or characteristics I couldn't live with.


And then there's the dreaded 'synergy'. Something you would like you don't like because it isn't playing nicely with some other part of the system. Rare, but it happens.

[Bigman80]

I agree if you don't like it from the off then you're not likely to grow to like it. On the other hand I have had the odd item that has been impressive at first but on longer and more varied listening has had flaws or characteristics I couldn't live with.


And then there's the dreaded 'synergy'. Something you would like you don't like because it isn't playing nicely with some other part of the system. Rare, but it happens.

Yep, totally agree Macca.

I like the Denon, it's a great cart but I'm more 'tuned' like the Ortofon Kontrapunkt b. Its no fault of the DL-S1, it really is very good. I know it's odd to see someone say "it's very good" but be looking to move it on, but it's just a magic combination with the PMAT1010, SP10 MK2 and the Kb. Synergy is finding that chain which all play nicely together and they really do, as you've heard.

[Macca]

I'm a big fan of that Denon cart but having heard your TT with the Ortofon in I couldn't see how it was going to be better in any appreciable way.

I like both because neither trys to make vinyl sound digital (trying to do that IMO throws the baby out with the bathwater). I don't see the point of that. Marco had a modern SPU on his TT before he got that Denon and that really was not for me. But with the Denon it was bob on.

[Bigman80]

I'm a big fan of that Denon cart but having heard your TT with the Ortofon in I couldn't see how it was going to be better in any appreciable way.

I like both because neither trys to make vinyl sound digital (trying to do that IMO throws the baby out with the bathwater). I don't see the point of that. Marco had a modern SPU on his TT before he got that Denon and that really was not for me. But with the Denon it was bob on.

And that's the outcome mate. Not enough discernable difference for me to move on.

[Jimbo]

I agree if you don't like it from the off then you're not likely to grow to like it. On the other hand I have had the odd item that has been impressive at first but on longer and more varied listening has had flaws or characteristics I couldn't live with.


And then there's the dreaded 'synergy'. Something you would like you don't like because it isn't playing nicely with some other part of the system. Rare, but it happens.

Spot on Martin - This happened to me with the Kontrapunkt B! I wanted it to work as I had heard it work so well but in my system it lacked something

[Bigman80]

Spot on Martin - This happened to me with the Kontrapunkt B! I wanted it to work as I had heard it work so well but in my system it lacked something

Synergy mate. So important.

[STD305M]

I think instant likes and dislikes are paramount and save us a lot of hard earned money
No point listening to something your not a 100% happy with in the hope you'll grow to like it.

I heard Oliver's Monarchy Amp and instantly new i wanted it and the second it went up for sale i bought it.

I would never buy something i was only 95% happy with

As for your Kontrapunkt Oliver, unless your willing to rob a bank, you will never get a cartridge that integrates with your system as well as the kontrapunkt (imho)

I'd like to be proved wrong as I'd love your kontrapunkt myself but it's highly unlikely.

Steve