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    Quote Originally Posted by Qwin View Post
    He's talking about internal connection, via Pin 1 of the shield within the case Oli not the leads.
    You shouldn't connect pin 1 to the connector body of the lead, just on the chassis socket.
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    Interesting test, more so because there was a bit of a blind element to it.

    I wouldn't expect the balanced/non balanced thing to make any difference, why would it?

    For me I don't place any importance on the 'hearing things I never heard' business, you've just made a change so of course your listening more intently. I go on the overall 'tone' of the sound. No doubt there are differences between cables, even if mostly it's about the same level of change as moving your head around a bit. I'm using some Spotfire cables right now and they do seem to have a distinct 'signature'. 'Warm', as you said Ken. But it's slight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    Interesting test, more so because there was a bit of a blind element to it.

    I wouldn't expect the balanced/non balanced thing to make any difference, why would it?

    For me I don't place any importance on the 'hearing things I never heard' business, you've just made a change so of course your listening more intently. I go on the overall 'tone' of the sound. No doubt there are differences between cables, even if mostly it's about the same level of change as moving your head around a bit. I'm using some Spotfire cables right now and they do seem to have a distinct 'signature'. 'Warm', as you said Ken. But it's slight.
    I know you're a sceptic mate but give them the required hours.

    30hrs minimum/50hrs or above is ideal

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigman80 View Post
    I know you're a sceptic mate but give them the required hours.
    No. After 29 hours I'm going to take them upstairs to the interconnect graveyard* where so many interconnects have gone before (and still reside) and buy something else. So there.


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    Hi Ken , good write up . Do you have a link to where I can buy the Mogami cable , wouldn'y mind trying it .
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    Quote Originally Posted by brian2957 View Post
    Hi Ken , good write up . Do you have a link to where I can buy the Mogami cable , wouldn'y mind trying it .
    Find it here Brian: http://www.giraffeaudio.com/mogami-n...2awg-2549.html
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    outrageous!!
    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    No. After 29 hours I'm going to take them upstairs to the interconnect graveyard* where so many interconnects have gone before (and still reside) and buy something else. So there.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Qwin View Post
    Thanks Ken , you're a gent .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    I wouldn't expect the balanced/non balanced thing to make any difference, why would it?
    Because with a balanced v single ended cable connection, the cables are doing different things electrically. Eg. the single ended return is connected directly to the audio ground plane, the balanced isn't. The balanced is carrying an inverted + non inverted signals which are independent of the audio ground plane. What difference this makes to the sound, if any, I couldn't say, but the applications are different, so it would be reasonable to assume a difference could exist, as we are not comparing Apples with Apples. So I remain open to the possibility that they MIGHT sound different, but have no evidence that would back that up.

    Its a bit like connecting the screen on these two core cable, single ended applications. One end/both ends/not at all, people swear it makes an audible difference, but why should it?

    So I don't have all the answers Martin, but I can see the logic in how balanced/single ended hook up might sound different, even with the same cable type.
    Last edited by Qwin; 29-09-2018 at 21:48.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brian2957 View Post
    Thanks Ken , you're a gent .
    yep cheers for the link,i might have to try it,rumour is the grossly expensive linn t-cable is this stuff
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