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    Quote Originally Posted by sq225917 View Post
    Quads
    Yes - they were Quads. They were probably the most recognisable elements in the setup. Note how they are aligned - one centre back, the other mid left.
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    Quote Originally Posted by speedracer View Post
    Are we talking about the same system Phil? When we were in there the was a Gyrodec front end with the small electrostatic speakers & not the Horning, which I didn't hear.
    ah , theres the difference . we heard the new horning speakers and they were delicious
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    Quote Originally Posted by sq225917 View Post
    It's not unfair, it's an opinion.

    There's nothing unfair about thinking he's a talentless designer of shit, ugly speakers. It's just an opinion, a viewpoint.

    Apparently, it's an opinion that you disagree with, but one that I know is shared by almost everyone whose ears I trust.
    Indeed, but you can express the same opinion, Simon, without the use of such derogatory language.

    Using the word "shite" or "shit", to describe a product that someone has spent a considerable amount of money on, and worked hard to produce, is indeed unfair and completely unnecessary.

    It may not be to your tastes, which is fine, but there are other words you could've used instead, to get the same message across. A classic case of 'It's not *what* you say, but how you say it'

    Please bear that in mind in future, and try to be a little more constructive with your criticism. Cheers!

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    We are talking about the same Hart Audio that offered the internals of a Bose wave radio mounted on a camera tripod as a high end speaker design? Aren't we?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    We are talking about the same Hart Audio that offered the internals of a Bose wave radio mounted on a camera tripod as a high end speaker design? Aren't we?
    Going from the sublime to the ridiculous (or vice versa?): http://www.extravaganzi.com/47-milli...-loudspeakers/
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    You're right of course Marco that was just plain lazy of me. Such a monumentally poor piece of design deserves a much more probing and detailed criticism.

    On entering the Hart audio room my ears were assailed by what was by some significant margin the worst sounding pair if speakers I've ever heard. Not only did they fall far below the sound quality that one expect for a commercial audio show it would have been embarrassing if you've lucked upon them in a room at Scalford that was hosted by a well known partially sighted regular user of sign language.

    To say that they were cobbled together from a mismatch of crudely salvaged refuse yard leftovers would be an injustice to modern well run waste disposal sites. Had they had included half an 1950s kitchen chair I wouldn't have been any more surprised.

    With an array of rear facing miniature 'bass units' of tiny cone size and hugely limited xmax coupled to a point source coaxial mid and tweeter they could barely have been a larger clash of concepts. And clash was what they were both sonically and visually.

    Of course no one should be surprised that he expect people to part with thousands of pounds for the finished items, which if previous firm is anything to go by will be barely better visually finished than these engineering samples. Of course thats 'engineering' in the least accurate possible use of the term.
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    Well at least this time your critique is a little more intelligent... "Shite" simply isn't that, nor indeed very creative

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    I was at said show (and it was really good - very enjoyable). I also visited the Hart room. Funnily enough, I’ve been to that many shows I’ve heard all the speakers Hart have ever ‘produced’ - I’ve not heard the Bose radio based speaker so I’ve not heard everything he/they have done. Sq’s assesment May be harsh but it is accurate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalek Supreme D L View Post
    That is a tad unfair, the two box Hart Audio's Evo1 speakers, in my opinion, are very good. The year I heard them at the 2010 London HiFi Fidelity Heathrow show that room was producing one of the best sounds at the show.
    I have to agree, I was at that show and there were some grating sounds from then fashionable brands like Aspara et al. The Hart two box design may be compromised in engineering terms and all wrong and back to front, but it sounded OK though agreeably not stellar. But it was a welcome respite from the surrounding earache frankly. Price is better left out of the equation though...

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    Oops - the Hart speakers I heard were the Asparas, which look(ed) like this:



    I remember being quite impressed by them (not grating at all), but they are not the design sq commented on.

    Apologies for the confusion.
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