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    Quote Originally Posted by struth View Post
    they have to be audiophile matches tho
    Yup £130 a box!
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    Quote Originally Posted by WESTLOWER View Post
    Yup £130 a box!
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    I have a 301 fully serviced by Ray at CTC and mounted in a Russ Collinson plinth, no issues with noise and it sounds fantastic, I did tons of reading on the various plinth options, it's very easy to end up going round in circles and be tempted to spend very large sums of money, there may be better plinths than the Layers Of Beauty, but I'm very pleased with my choice and although not cheap it's almost a bargain compared to what some people charge, I have a 401 which will be going the same CTC/LOB route when funds allow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dubmart View Post
    I have a 301 fully serviced by Ray at CTC and mounted in a Russ Collinson plinth, no issues with noise and it sounds fantastic, I did tons of reading on the various plinth options, it's very easy to end up going round in circles and be tempted to spend very large sums of money, there may be better plinths than the Layers Of Beauty, but I'm very pleased with my choice and although not cheap it's almost a bargain compared to what some people charge, I have a 401 which will be going the same CTC/LOB route when funds allow.
    +1 Martin!
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    Well, after a bit more research it seems there are fundamental differences between the 2 styles of plinth.
    The 'Shindo' style in solid cherry is not inert, it has a resonant frequency, but it's a frequency that happens to compliment the Garrards, apparently, giving a warm, rich sound. The AF plinth, with its mix of layered woods and greater mass, dampens vibration more effectively and leads to a cleaner, crisper, perhaps more 'modern' sound.
    Just to be clear, I've no intention of spending multiple thousands on either an original Shindo or AF plinth... but I'm researching the 2 styles so that someone can build me something similar when I make my decision.
    Agreed that to get the best from a Shindo plinth one should probably go "full Shindo" as I imagine all parts will be tuned together to produce a harmonious synergy. But that's way out of my means. Whatever I end up with will be more of a Franken-table, with motor, tonearm, plinth and possibly upgraded platter/bearing all sourced separately. So I will most likely lose some of that overall synergy. For that reason I'm leaning towards the more inert plinth at this point.

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    Jean Nantais did a load of research in this area and you can also look at how people make acoustic guitars, violins and other stringed instruments to get some idea of why certain woods are choosen. You might want to import some Japanese cherry If your going "shindo" and get a competent wood worker to build you the plinth, cheaper than RC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by REXTON View Post
    Jean Nantais did a load of research in this area and you can also look at how people make acoustic guitars, violins and other stringed instruments to get some idea of why certain woods are choosen. You might want to import some Japanese cherry If your going "shindo" and get a competent wood worker to build you the plinth, cheaper than RC.
    Interesting, You reckon you can import a plinth sized lump of Japanese cherry wood, from Japan, and have a competent wood worker make a plinth for less than £790.00...!?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WESTLOWER View Post
    Interesting, You reckon you can import a plinth sized lump of Japanese cherry wood, from Japan, and have a competent wood worker make a plinth for less than £790.00...!?
    Common sense would suggest you source closer to home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by REXTON View Post
    Common sense would suggest you source closer to home.
    errr. Indeed. you suggested it
    "lack of passion is fatal"


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    Yep, my bad! I suppose importing Cherry wood from Japan gives you more chance of getting Japanese Cherry wood, but that leaves ( or leafs sorry bad pun) the problem of which Japanese Cherry wood. There are numerous native Japanese Cheery woods from the Prunus family. This introduces the rather sticky subject of trying to guess which Prunus Shindo used when making his plinths. Any copy to be accurate and sound correctly like a Shindo plinth would have to match Shindo's choice of Prunus, otherwise your not properly emulating (or sounding) like a Shindo plinth. I'll stick to my birch ply and not recede my hair line any further worrying about semantics!!
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