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    Apparently the Lightning F6 carried 1,200 gallons of fuel but consumed 200 gallons per minute on full reheat. That is what I was told donkey's years back. It may be true, it may be fanciful. The missiles it carried had a range of just three miles. With Fire Streaks you had to be behind the target, with Red Tops you could fire head on. Don't forget though it had two 30mm cannon. I'm guessing though that there wouldn't have been much time to dogfight with six minutes worth of fuel..?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haselsh1 View Post
    Apparently the Lightning F6 carried 1,200 gallons of fuel but consumed 200 gallons per minute on full reheat. That is what I was told donkey's years back. It may be true, it may be fanciful. The missiles it carried had a range of just three miles. With Fire Streaks you had to be behind the target, with Red Tops you could fire head on. Don't forget though it had two 30mm cannon. I'm guessing though that there wouldn't have been much time to dogfight with six minutes worth of fuel..?
    Ah so that's at full reheat, I read it as once at interception height it had 6 minutes of operational fuel before returning to base (rather like the ME263 which I think only had fuel for a couple of passes at the American bombers). Given its climb rate, it would only need full reheat for a couple of minutes (depending on how far over the North sea/wherever you want to get before intercepting them). When they had nuclear bombs you could get them pretty close to the UK so hopefully plenty of interception time before you only have enough fuel to get home. Once they had stand off nuclear missile capability (Kitchen was the main one IIRC) then it's not as simple, I don't know the range of those weapons.

    We had air to air refuel tankers (Victors, again IIRC) but they would have to be up at height ready and waiting after the climb. Unless there was always one up there 24/7 then these wouldn't be much use, except for extending the Lightning's range for planned operations elsewhere in the theatre of operations.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lawrence001 View Post
    I've been reading the autobiography of the top RN test pilot of WWII and after, Capt. Eric Brown, he was assigned to testing captured German types after the war. He said the Komet was exhilarating to fly, as you would expect! Only captured German ground crew knew how to get it going, so they took special measures to protect themselves against Nazi sympathisers as there was evidence of sabotage attempts on previous flights. I think he was also called upon to interview Von Braun and the Horten brothers for the British.

    Well worth a read, it's called Wings on my Sleeve. Lots about the development of carrier ops with early jets. Much experience was shared with the US, along with our technology.

    Speaking of dangerous German rocket planes, I wonder what he would have made of the Bachem Natter if he'd ever got the chance to test it. I suspect he would have thought twice before climbing in the cockpit!!

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    I don't think so, she did test flights with the manned version of the V1 though which is probably just as crazy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macca View Post
    I don't think so, she did test flights with the manned version of the V1 though which is probably just as crazy.
    Yes , you re right !! It was the manned V1
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lawrence001 View Post
    Ah so that's at full reheat, I read it as once at interception height it had 6 minutes of operational fuel before returning to base (rather like the ME263 which I think only had fuel for a couple of passes at the American bombers). Given its climb rate, it would only need full reheat for a couple of minutes (depending on how far over the North sea/wherever you want to get before intercepting them). When they had nuclear bombs you could get them pretty close to the UK so hopefully plenty of interception time before you only have enough fuel to get home. Once they had stand off nuclear missile capability (Kitchen was the main one IIRC) then it's not as simple, I don't know the range of those weapons.

    We had air to air refuel tankers (Victors, again IIRC) but they would have to be up at height ready and waiting after the climb. Unless there was always one up there 24/7 then these wouldn't be much use, except for extending the Lightning's range for planned operations elsewhere in the theatre of operations.


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    Yeah we also had Bloodhound SAM bases on the coast here as well. I think their range was 400 miles.

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    Re: DH110 Farnborough & the Sea Vixen

    Quote Originally Posted by struth View Post
    one crashed at farnborough(early 50's) ...it was so screwed up it never really flew much in anger and was retired in early 70's.. it killed fifty one RN aircrew.

    And after that crash, they carted off the bodies and injured, cleaned up...and on with the show - which drew bigger crowds the next day. Different world then.

    If the Sea Vixen was so dangerous, surprised there are some still allowed to fly at airshows... I saw a fantastic display from one at the the East Fortune Air Day in the 2000's. It might have been a terrible plane, but it did look absolutely fantastic, like something straight out of a Dan Dare comic.

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    A couple more classic aircraft images taken back in the dark days of film.

    North American P51D by Shaun Haselden, on Flickr


    Vought F4U Corsair by Shaun Haselden, on Flickr


    Curtiss Kittyhawk by Shaun Haselden, on Flickr

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    Ah, a mustang.. Fast plane that.. Became the f51 during Korean war I think
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    Quote Originally Posted by struth View Post
    Ah, a mustang.. Fast plane that.. Became the f51 during Korean war I think
    Helped win the war by escorting the US bombers all the way over Germany in their daylight raids with enough fuel to dogfight. It's reputed that when Goering saw them over Berlin he said the war was lost.
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