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    No...
    In reality that’s not the case...sorry.
    Its a common belief I guess, it’s just digital, right?
    I’m saying this as I’ve compared many different cables personally.

    Don’t believe everything you read online, (including me!) try a bunch for yourself if your curious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gazjam View Post
    No...
    In reality that’s not the case...sorry.
    Its a common belief I guess, it’s just digital, right?
    I’m saying this as I’ve compared many different cables personally.

    Don’t believe everything you read online, (including me!) try a bunch for yourself if your curious.
    Oh I have and so have the worlds leading experts I know in the field of AV, it is just 0's and 1's, you can't have 0ish and 1ish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie View Post
    Oh I have and so have the worlds leading experts I know in the field of AV, it is just 0's and 1's, you can't have 0ish and 1ish.
    Actually - you can

    Put very simply - the 0's and 1's are communicated by a system of difference, For the difference to register a threshold has to be met.
    If this threshold isn't met (an error) there is ambiguity and the processor will correct the error by deciding one way or another (either a 0 or a 1)
    The error events can be negligible (and therefore unnoticeable) or frequent and therefore significant ... and noticeable (e.g. artefacts and distortion)

    Anything which can improve an error-free communication of the data stream will thus have a positive impact at the decoding end of the process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie View Post
    Oh I have and so have the worlds leading experts I know in the field of AV, it is just 0's and 1's, you can't have 0ish and 1ish.
    Chill out man, I'm entitled to think what I think, as are you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gazjam View Post
    Chill out man, I'm entitled to think what I think, as are you.
    I am chilled and if you want to think that that's OK but facts say otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikmas View Post
    Actually - you can

    Put very simply - the 0's and 1's are communicated by a system of difference, For the difference to register a threshold has to be met.
    If this threshold isn't met (an error) there is ambiguity and the processor will correct the error by deciding one way or another (either a 0 or a 1)
    The error events can be negligible (and therefore unnoticeable) or frequent and therefore significant ... and noticeable (e.g. artefacts and distortion)

    Anything which can improve an error-free communication of the data stream will thus have a positive impact at the decoding end of the process.
    Actually with HDMI you can't. You either have a picture or you don't

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie View Post
    I am chilled and if you want to think that that's OK but facts say otherwise.


    Do you know how HDMI cables work Barry?

    is...say...an HDMI 1.0 spec cable the same as a 2.1 cable?
    Whats the difference you think, and why the need for it?

    Not being sarcastic Mate just wondering what your own level of knowledge is, not one of the world leading experts that you know.
    Maybe you can get one of them to join the discussion, share some technical knowledge?

    You’ve said you thought the 4K Blu-ray of 2001 was stunning, what kit did you see it on?
    A Poundland HDMI cable or...?
    Last edited by Gazjam; 07-08-2019 at 17:18.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gazjam View Post


    Do you know how HDMI cables work Barry?

    is...say...an HDMI 1.0 spec cable the same as a 2.1 cable?
    Whats the difference you think, and why the need for it?

    Not being sarcastic Mate just wondering what your own level of knowledge is, not one of the world leading experts that you know.
    Maybe you can get one of them to join the discussion, share some technical knowledge?

    You’ve said you thought the 4K Blu-ray of 2001 was stunning, what kit did you see it on?
    A Poundland HDMI cable or...?
    I watched 2001 on a calibrated (pro) LG OLED using Amazon Basics HDMI. The difference between cables will be their ability to pass the information for the standard required, not the ability to show better picture quality.

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    Barry, if you want to discuss the topic of whether or not there is a difference between the same standard of HDMI cable start a separate thread for it.

    This is a subjectivist forum so threads like this one are going to start with an assumption that there are differences, and this thread is about that, not whether there is any difference.
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    I've done many shootouts of my own...thanks, with my own AV equipment in my own environment.
    Prefer to try things for myself in my own system and base my view on the evidence of my own eyes ‘n ears; whatever the results may be.

    Hence the thread I started here.
    Last edited by Gazjam; 07-08-2019 at 21:46.
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    SPEAKER CABLES
    Biwired: Duelund DCA10GA (Bass) Duelund DCA16GA (mid & treble) Duelund 12DCA used as jumpers (On
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