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    Pearls before swine, mate!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    Cool, *but* which proves that you're not quite getting where I'm coming from mate, because in my view it has some of the best attributes of CD, as I outlined earlier, whilst still sounding like a good turntable. Therefore, by definition, in some ways it sounds like a good CD player.

    I can't really put it any plainer than that

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    I get what your saying and I am sure your turntable was the benchmark you used in order to elevate your digital front end.
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    James, I know what you are saying wasn't aimed at me but this vinyl/digital thing is a really good benchmark with which to position one's self for the future. I would much rather use vinyl and whilst I did, by and large, I loved it. My problem was that I got a much 'easier' system and sound with CD. To match my CD system would have required the spending of way more than I did and here I decided it stopped, the spending that is. I reached a point where to me it was just no longer worth it. I certainly will miss the subtleties of vinyl replay but in the same breath, I will not miss so many of the irritations. My finest vinyl moment was way back in 1997 when I had an Alphason Sonata with HR100S MCS tonearm. Awesome, I bloody loved it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haselsh1 View Post
    James, I know what you are saying wasn't aimed at me but this vinyl/digital thing is a really good benchmark with which to position one's self for the future. I would much rather use vinyl and whilst I did, by and large, I loved it. My problem was that I got a much 'easier' system and sound with CD. To match my CD system would have required the spending of way more than I did and here I decided it stopped, the spending that is. I reached a point where to me it was just no longer worth it. I certainly will miss the subtleties of vinyl replay but in the same breath, I will not miss so many of the irritations. My finest vinyl moment was way back in 1997 when I had an Alphason Sonata with HR100S MCS tonearm. Awesome, I bloody loved it.
    I completely understand peoples position on Vinyl and Digital playback and their reasons for using either one or the other or both. There is no doubt that Digital is here to stay especially in its streaming capacity and I am sure Hi Rez material will eventually become the norm, no one should really be getting anything less than CD quality these days. I also understand the convenience and lack of irritating aspects of digital audio and respect the fact that for some Vinyl is labour intensive by comparison and frustrating to get right especially as so many pressings are quite poor from new. The mechanical set up and constant attention Turntables require is a bind although I like noodling around with this aspect.

    CD can now sound very good indeed with the implementation of a great DAC and I am sure these will go from strength to strength. I agree Shaun that Vinyl systems can get very expensive before you acquire something that sounds stunning and by comparison digital can be relatively cheap and so much easier to live with.

    I know of a few people who have lots of time and unlimited budgets (in comparison to mine) who have also decided to give up Vinyl completely and listen exclusively to FBA system having decided that this was the superior route. You have made that same decision and I am sure it is the right one for you as i have followed your endeavours on AOS for quite a few years and I know you take your hifi and more importantly your music seriously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbo View Post
    Stereo imaging with digital is limited certainly in spatial depth and separation compared to vinyl in my experience. But hey, we all hear differently!
    I agree, it is very difficult for digital to get that 3D soundstage and dynamic contrast. However, when it does, then it’s vinyl that has to play catch up.
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    From a technical point of view is there something intrinsically better with vinyl to give better separation and 3d sound-stage than digital?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edwardlon View Post
    From a technical point of view is there something intrinsically better with vinyl to give better separation and 3d sound-stage than digital?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yomanze View Post
    I agree, it is very difficult for digital to get that 3D soundstage and dynamic contrast. However, when it does, then it’s vinyl that has to play catch up.
    The ability of either to do it is completely swamped by the effects of the room and speaker placement. So it's a bit of a non-argument. Even if that wasn't true it isn't cheap or easy to do it with vinyl.


    FWIW the best system I have heard for imaging used a digital source. On paper at least I'd expect digital to be better at imaging than vinyl, all else being properly sorted. And don't forget all that imaging has to be on the recording in the first place. A lot of productions for rock and pop are pretty average in that regard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yomanze View Post
    I agree, it is very difficult for digital to get that 3D soundstage and dynamic contrast. However, when it does, then it’s vinyl that has to play catch up.
    The only digital device I have heard that can match vinyl for 3D soundstage and particularly depth is the DAVE DAC. Simply awesome and sounds very analogue. Chord are definitely onto something with that DAC and if they keep going they will nail all aspects of the audio performance and probably move beyond vinyls capabilities.
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    I've found digital far harder to get to produce stage or image depth. Most digital IME has less stage depth than vinyl but it doesn't have to. It's not necessarily expensive to get digital to perform the trick, just attention to detail.
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