The Snake Oil Machine

[Macca]

To badly paraphrase Frank Zappa...
Discussing audio tweaks without trying them for yourself (for free or very cheaply) is like dancing about Architecture.

A lot of "absolutes" getting thrown around here, just make up a DIY version see for yourself if the theory is bullshit.
Some say it is, some say there's at least SOME theory to it...just try it and find out for yourself.

No-one else curious?

Geoff has done exactly that here https://theartofsound.net/forum/show...ght=bincho+tan and reported that he heard no difference.

[Gazjam]

Geoff has done exactly that here https://theartofsound.net/forum/show...ght=bincho+tan and reported that he heard no difference.

As have I, and I did.

Slight improvements to both Dac and Oppo bluray player.
Not night and day but every little 'elps and worth having.

A lot of factors come into play so very system dependent maybe?

[mikmas]

Using one of the leads in question directly connects the signal ground to mains ground, which may or may not have audible effects. You could knock up a lead for less than £5.00 that may not look as pretty, but it'll do the same job.

There is one thing that isn't considered, and that's induced RFI on the ground connection.
Oh, and under fault conditions your equipment becomes toast

Indeed - I am currently using a Class II compliant integrated amp .... and I am certainly not going to risk the continued use of it (or the safety of myself and my family) trying out some some screwball device thought up by an American company as a means to extract money from the pockets of gullible or superstitious punters. By the same token I would not DIY any device unless I could be reasonably sure that it's operation would not incur such risks.

[mikmas]

Staunchly objectivist opinions will only be permitted if they show due respect to the subjectivist mindset, don't descend into personal remarks, such as "nutjobbery" and the like, and most importantly also don't descend into blinkered absolutism.

If I see any more of that type of input here, it'll be removed without further warning and the thread closed. Bans will also be handed out for repeated offenders.

I'm sorry Marco but it would seem that posting to this forum is rapidly becoming too much of a minefield with an increased risk that any post might fall foul of some new edict or other.

I would ask that if any more 'ban prone' categories are introduced that you enable the option (on the forum software) for members to delete their names and details from the forum database.

I for one would no longer wish to be part of it.

[Stratmangler]

As have I, and I did.

Slight improvements to both Dac and Oppo bluray player.
Not night and day but every little 'elps and worth having.

A lot of factors come into play so very system dependent maybe?

Not really a lot of factors.
Just different earthing strategies.

[narabdela]

Mm, I see that my latest post has been removed. I'm afraid Marco, that your "My way or the highway" attitude is beginning to piss people off. I realise that you're the forum owner, but censoring opinion is no way to run a forum.

I agree with mikmas. Include me out.

Goodbye, and thanks for all the fish.

[struth]

Insulting folk here then wondering why a post is removed is odd behaviour..

[walpurgis]

People should be able to cope with moderation or not join forums!

Also, it seems strange to take exception to a possible topic ban which has been given a thread for discussion and a vote offered to members, to keep things democratic.

[Marco]

I'm sorry Marco but it would seem that posting to this forum is rapidly becoming too much of a minefield with an increased risk that any post might fall foul of some new edict or other.

I would ask that if any more 'ban prone' categories are introduced that you enable the option (on the forum software) for members to delete their names and details from the forum database.

I for one would no longer wish to be part of it.

So you think you should be able to insult folk, directly or indirectly, while expressing a legitimate contrary opinion? I'm not saying you did that, but some folk's posting style here has distinctly smacked of that attitude.

*That* is all I'm objecting to, and outlining what you should already know, that this is first and foremost a subjectivist forum, so it's only to be expected that the subjectivist mindset is given priority.

If you can't understand, appreciate and respect both of the above, and what is a perfectly reasonable position to take in the circumstances, then I'm afraid, Mike, that's not my problem.

Marco.

[Marco]

Mm, I see that my latest post has been removed. I'm afraid Marco, that your "My way or the highway" attitude is beginning to piss people off. I realise that you're the forum owner, but censoring opinion is no way to run a forum.

Hugh, your earlier post was deleted before you had read my warning, so that was fine, but it had to be removed afterwards in line with the warning I had just given.

However, aside from that, I'm afraid that making remarks such as "my bullshit meter's too sensitive", simply serves no constructive purpose, and is only likely to irk those who have bought the "bullshit" you're referring to, or believe in the effect of what you consider as such. You need to think about the language you use to express yourself and how others may perceive it.

As I've said, there is simply no excuse for any intelligent person, with a modicum of self-awareness, to need to make derogatory remarks towards others, whilst expressing their contrary opinion - and *that* is what is unacceptable here, NOT holding a contrary opinion. You can get your point across perfectly well without having to insult someone, or what they believe in.

Members must realise that they should treat people with EXACTLY the same respect, as would be the case in a face-to-face conversation, and that such civility is a core part of how we conduct ourselves here.

Marco.